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Sep 17,2008, 02:59 PM
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#16 | | Looking for a coach
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Originally Posted by AcidJoe  My decision here was to raise or fold. Flat calling never entered my mind since I wouldn't know where I was. I popped it to $75 and everyone folded but the re raiser who called the $50 more. Turn card was another 7 (hearts I think definately not the diamond). He bets $50 to me, now what's your move? I really didn't like the board pairing here. | The pot is now $247 and the villain has $100 back? It's 50 you.
The villain makes a tiny bet donk bet on a very draw heavy board to a guy who 3 bet the flop?
This guy could care less about offering 5 to 1 to a flush/straight draw.
Stack to pot ratio is .4 here.. pretty obvious that the math says that this is a commitment type situation.
The question is it a suck bet or a blocking bet? Do you want to let him bluff his final $100? or.. Do you want to try make him pay to draw his final card if he's on the flush/straight draw?
Is he on a draw? Your $75 into the pot gave him bad odds to draw to a 8 out or 9 out flush/straight. A monster draw would have outs to make a play, although he should a shoved on the flop if he had a monster draw. (is this villain the Rama pro that you mentioned?)
If he's a good player he wouldn't be in a situation where he calls a draw on the flop with neither pot odds or implied odds to call unless he's bluffing. But the flop bet is too small to be anything but a post oak bluff.
Conclusion , He ain't on a draw if he's a good player.
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Sep 17,2008, 03:12 PM
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#17 | | SHIP IT, BITCHES!
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Originally Posted by AcidJoe I think he's a tool. |
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Sep 17,2008, 06:54 PM
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#18 | | CPF's super Donk
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Conclusion , He ain't on a draw if he's a good player.
| That is true, and he isn't the Rama pro. As Greg alluded too I think the guy is a tool. I flat called his $50 just to see what hit on the river. He looked very confused that I called rather than pushed because that's what he expected me to do. River Card: Jack of clubs. Mr. Tool bets $50 into me again.
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Sep 17,2008, 08:25 PM
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#19 | | #bonking
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I love 1 2 pros
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Sep 17,2008, 09:05 PM
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#20 | | SHIP IT, BITCHES!
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Originally Posted by AcidJoe River Card: Jack of clubs. | nice catch, fish. or does he have quadz?
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Sep 17,2008, 11:16 PM
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#21 | | CPF's super Donk
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Originally Posted by pkrfce9 nice catch, fish. or does he have quadz? | I love your terminology. I was determined if he was going to let me call down cheap to do it. In my mind the river changed the whole situation.
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Sep 18,2008, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AcidJoe That is true, and he isn't the Rama pro. As Greg alluded too I think the guy is a tool. I flat called his $50 just to see what hit on the river. He looked very confused that I called rather than pushed because that's what he expected me to do. River Card: Jack of clubs. Mr. Tool bets $50 into me again. | Strange $347 in the pot and the villain has $50 back and it's $50 to you...
Staggering underbet with probably not any fold equity.
He wasn't on a draw.
He doesn't have JJ+ or AK.
What could he have that would make him make these tiny bets into the draw heavy turn ?
And then make an insultingly small river bet.
You have to commit here. Barring some insane read ....
I'd "think" about it and put in the $100
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I put my money in the middle after the river and he insta called. Believe it or not he had QQ. That completely baffled me. I was shaking my head for about 20 minutes after that.
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Sep 19,2008, 06:26 AM
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Sounds like this Tool is a one of the worst players possible.
It's probably not possible to play QQ worse.
Drinking will probably improve his game.
I'd love to have him in my game!
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Sep 19,2008, 08:00 AM
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#25 | | CPF's super Donk
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Originally Posted by ReefAquarium Sounds like this Tool is a one of the worst players possible.
It's probably not possible to play QQ worse.
Drinking will probably improve his game.
I'd love to have him in my game! |
He was drinking!!!!! Personally I could never have put him on that hand. I think I would have pushed and not called the $75 after the flop. I probably would have called the push as I don't see me laying top 2 down here.
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Sep 19,2008, 10:08 AM
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I never put him on QQ, 8 limpers preflop ... hummmmmmmm
He fooled me completely.
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What an interesting hand Joe. Man I would have never put him on QQ either. 2 pair gets me in lots of trouble sometimes,mostly because I am not very experienced and might not be working the hands backwards properly like I see you guys do it.
Thanx for the hand.
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