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Originally Posted by Wetts1012  Havent had time to verify your math, but if its right I call with a 2 and the cut card here. |
Don't get this mentality at all. In limit you get proper odds to call a lot of things a lot of the time. At some point you need to have a holding that has a reasonable shot of winning.
Against 6 players 6-8 suited is almost certain to have at least 1 native out shared with another player (A-6, Q-8?). Even flush draws on the flop aren't automatically clean and can cost you a few BB. Your only real hope with that many players in is the straight but even then you could idiot-end it for the loser which again costs you a BB or 2.
Flop comes 843 rainbow, where are you in the hand? You have top pair crappy kicker and against 6 players can be easily up against much better hands.
I'll review my copy of Small Stakes Hold'em where they discuss this a bit and post what they say.
I had to come back and edit this to go into more detail.
First:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.569% 14.44% 01.12% 113696 8853.02 { 8d6d }
Hand 1: 14.042% 12.91% 01.13% 101643 8882.27 { random }
Hand 2: 14.149% 13.02% 01.13% 102484 8883.27 { random }
Hand 3: 14.041% 12.91% 01.13% 101594 8923.61 { random }
Hand 4: 14.105% 12.98% 01.12% 102183 8840.19 { random }
Hand 5: 14.108% 12.98% 01.13% 102180 8871.02 { random }
Hand 6: 13.987% 12.88% 01.11% 101349 8742.61 { random }
Your equity in this hand is poor (though barely ahead) against that many players with those cards.
Secondly, the betting has been capped, it's likely someone has SOMETHING. A pocket pair higher than 7's and your equity edge is completely gone. Best case scenerio would be if all the other players have each others outs something like this:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.827% 47.75% 00.08% 902677 1524.71 { 8d6d }
Hand 1: 23.989% 22.87% 01.12% 432422 21102.05 { AKo }
Hand 2: 08.622% 07.51% 01.11% 141934 21064.05 { AQo }
Hand 3: 08.442% 07.33% 01.11% 138573 21032.38 { AJo }
Hand 4: 02.656% 02.45% 00.21% 46262 3953.71 { KJo }
Hand 5: 05.673% 05.47% 00.21% 103340 3915.71 { QJo }
Hand 6: 02.791% 02.58% 00.21% 48784 3985.38 { KQo }
Where all the other players in the hand are drawing to a single out, however I suspect this is unlikely.
And finally as an example of how pot odds can really be juiced up in Limit (good opportunity to see if I'm doing this right) (assuming 2/5 limit)
You are on the button, you've called 2 bets and the BB raises as does the original raiser.
So now you are facing 2 more bets on the button with only the BB to complete for the last 2 if he wants to stay in.
For your first 2 bet call, you are getting 6.5 to 1 (26 in the pot, and 4 for you to call) , and after the UTG player caps the betting you are getting better than 14 to 1 for your 4 more call. (58 in the pot and 4 for you to call)
On the flop you are getting 32:1 to call a single bet (64 in the pot and 2 to you) before any other callers.
Assuming you see the turn where things get expensive, you are still getting a minimum of 13:1 (assuming you and 1 other player paid $2 on the flop) (68 in the pot and 5 to you). That's enough to draw for almost any hand.
And the river assuming a bet and call on the turn is 15:1 (78 in the pot and 5 to you)
So, as you can see (and I still am going to look up the info in SSHE) pot odds can be artificially inflated to allow you to call with any prayer of a draw all the way through a limit hand.
**NOTE: I'm not a machine, I make mistakes. If you see any, please point it out. I use this forum to learn too.
