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Old Sep 11,2006, 05:44 AM   #1
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Anyone ever see dbl quads?

Hi I do not have any idea how often this could happen, what are the odds??


PokerStars Game #6246905900: Tournament #31512672, $1.00+$0.10 Omaha Hi/Lo Limit - Level XI (1200/2400) - 2006/09/11 - 06:24:59 (ET)
Table '31512672 14' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: dragondeath (24044 in chips)
Seat 2: kalanisi (3820 in chips)
Seat 4: nowdream (7075 in chips)
Seat 5: Maleficence (3588 in chips)
Seat 6: eto2ipi (46423 in chips)
Seat 7: MattGG (4297 in chips)
Seat 8: DoDaFoo (24053 in chips)
Seat 9: omandog1 (14204 in chips)
MattGG: posts small blind 600
DoDaFoo: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dragondeath [Qs 6d 6s Qh]
omandog1: folds
dragondeath: raises 1200 to 2400
kalanisi: folds
nowdream: folds
Maleficence: raises 1188 to 3588 and is all-in
eto2ipi: folds
MattGG: folds
DoDaFoo: calls 2388
dragondeath: calls 1188
*** FLOP *** [Qd Qc 6h]
DoDaFoo: checks
dragondeath: bets 1200
DoDaFoo: folds
*** TURN *** [Qd Qc 6h] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Qd Qc 6h Kd] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dragondeath: shows [Qs 6d 6s Qh] (HI: four of a kind, Queens)
Maleficence: shows [As 8c 3c 2c] (HI: a pair of Queens)
dragondeath collected 11364 from pot
No low hand qualified
dragondeath said, "wow"
DoDaFoo said, "um"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11364 | Rake 0
Board [Qd Qc 6h Kd 6c]
Seat 1: dragondeath showed [Qs 6d 6s Qh] and won (11364) with HI: four of a kind, Queens
Seat 2: kalanisi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: nowdream folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Maleficence showed [As 8c 3c 2c] and lost with HI: a pair of Queens
Seat 6: eto2ipi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MattGG (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DoDaFoo (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: omandog1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old Sep 11,2006, 06:25 AM   #2
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

Thats pretty cool.

What are the odds of that happening?

Nice hand!

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Old Sep 11,2006, 08:38 AM   #3
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

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Hi I do not have any idea how often this could happen, what are the odds??
The odds of hitting it once is like 1 in 4,164, so since in omaha you are basiaclly dealt 6 hands (the 6 possible ways of combining your 4 cards to make the 2 card hand you use in the end)...maybe the odds would then be a bit better, like 1 in 694. So getting it twice in one hand would be like.. I have no idea! I'll try to figure it out later. Someone please correct my math on this one.

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Old Sep 11,2006, 08:48 AM   #4
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

I read that it's 38,915-1 (it happened at 2002 WSOP final table).
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Old Sep 11,2006, 08:56 AM   #5
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

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I read that it's 38,915-1 (it happened at 2002 WSOP final table).
Hey Bob (BIGBOB) lost with flopped 4 of a kind (8's) to 4 of a kind (K's) at Niagara about 3 weeks ago. Think the K's got the 3rd K on the turn, and they got it all in there, river brings the case K and Bob loses his stack. Wow is he loose....... Better not ask him about it though, may be a bit touchy....
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Old Sep 11,2006, 09:03 AM   #6
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

Well, the odds of it happening in Omaha are likely greater then Holdem, but I have to say I have never seen it happen ever in over 100,000 Omaha hands and 500,000 Holdem hands so safe to say that is pretty rare. I think someone else posted a NL hand recently where one quads beat another quads that beat a third person with trips.

Probably the oddest hands I recall of mine were

Party Monster weekly, I have AA get in a 4 way all in preflop vs 88 77 and 33. Flop was 8 7 3 and noone improved.

A Stars tournament, can't remember what a couple years ago late and 3 others go all in preflop QQ vs KQ vs 22 and flop was Q22. I remember thinking how odd it was for someone to flop the nut full house and be drawing completely dead

A stars tournament where I go all in with AA vs KK flop is A 8 3 so I switch to other tables where I am up and only notice a few hands later that my chip stack is smaller then it should be, I scroll up and see tons of OMGs etc because he hit runner runner kings
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Old Sep 11,2006, 09:29 AM   #7
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

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I read that it's 38,915-1 (it happened at 2002 WSOP final table).
Here's a link to the odds :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability

The number 1 in ,4164 I gave before was actually for 5 card poker, so with Texas Hold 'em it increases to 594 : 1 and Omaha would be even higher. As fas as making 2 at the same time.. I am still not sure.Â* Working on it tho...
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Old Sep 11,2006, 10:20 AM   #8
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

I think this hand demonstrates the value of not raising to chase 1/2 of a pot.




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Old Sep 12,2006, 05:22 AM   #9
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

well i don't get the odds of it but i bought a lotto ticket yesterday.
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Old Sep 12,2006, 03:27 PM   #10
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

http://pokerforum.ca/forum/index.php?topic=10640.0
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

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I've seen that before, the OP had DOUBLE Quads, Queens AND Sixes. 4 of a Kind X 2!!

That's just crazy.
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Old Sep 14,2006, 04:25 AM   #12
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

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Â* I think someone else posted a NL hand recently where one quads beat another quads that beat a third person with trips.
How could the third have trips?

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How could the third have trips?
Three people had Pocket Pairs... I think 1 had Pocket 2's, the second person had pocket 10's, and the 3rd person had Pocket Ks'.

The flop came 2, 10, K.. So all three flopped a set, and then Turn came K, and River came 2.

The link is above, but here it is again:

http://pokerforum.ca/forum/index.php?topic=10640.0

The guy who posted was always the dog in the hand... with his 2's; but still a tough beat.Â* Â*

Not sure what would be the crazier odds to happen.Â* The Double QUADS in this OP, or the 3 ppl flopping a set (2 hitting QUADS) in the topic I mention above.
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Old Sep 14,2006, 09:40 PM   #14
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

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Hi I do not have any idea how often this could happen, what are the odds??
I'm surprised no one did the math on the OP's question. I'll take a stab at it.

#of boards that would give a double paired hand double quads:
4*3*2*1*44 * 5! arrangements of those cards
=126720

# of possible boards based on just knowing the OP's hand:
48*47*46*45*44
=205476480

So the odds of double quads is 126720/205476480
=1 in 1621.5

So for every time that you start with a double paired hand in Omaha, you will get double quads 1 in 1621.5 times, assuming you don't fold before the river.

I'll leave it up to someone else to figure out the odds of being dealt a double paired hand in Omaha.

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Old Sep 16,2006, 04:37 AM   #15
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Re: Anyone ever see dbl quads?

Thank you for the odds, still not sure how you worked it though.
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