SuperBad

I don't have the hand history, but the scenario in this 9 person sng is as follows:

4 players left, blinds are at 75-150, increasing shortly, stacks are:
SB-~$4,100
BB-$4,000 <----Me
UTG-$5,000
Button-$400

The button player has been sitting out for the past 20-30 minutes and isn't coming back. So....we have a situation where the remaining players can check-fold into the money, in a very short period of time.

Reads:
UTG is very ABC, haven't seen calling/aggression without a hand.
SB has often been stealing, will bet at unraised pots, and will bet at scare cards.

From the BB I am dealt 3H, 3D. UTG calls, button auto-folds, SB calls, and I check.

Flop comes JH, 3S, 10H.

SB bets $450. I ...?

The more that I think about it, the more I think that this should be the easiest fold ever. Even though I'm likely ahead here, the board isn't the friendliest...In a very short period of time, the button will be blinded off. Giving up on this hand here won't cost all that much in terms of chip position...

Results of what actually happened to follow....

ChrisWinsor

If you wanna play it safe sure go ahead and gold and make the money... If you want to win there's no way you should be folded that hand. You're only losing to pocket 10s or Js. Your opponent could be stealing knowing it's the bubble, he could have a jack might fold to a reraise or he might have limped with say J10, in which case you'll get all his money. You have no reason to think you're behind at all, you should definitly not fold this hand. I'd raise to 1600.

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g2

If by easiest you mean dumbest.

/g2

specialK

well put, i'd prolly just shove here, or put in a big raise anyway.

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stpboy

It sounds like your goal is to make the money in this tournament rather then win it. I can understand that. I love your hand in this situation and to quote Ricky Bobby "want to share something personal with you, I have a chubby right now cause this is the most awesome thing in my life!". Of course the board isn't to friendly, I could see SB limping with J10, Q9 or anything in that range. I can't see him limping with 1010, JJ, AQ, AK, if he had shown aggression no real need to stop now. He'll get played back at at some point and what better time then when he actually has a hand.

If you're wanting to make the money and dont think you can get Mr. SB off the hand. I just call here. I actually may just call here anyway and see what the turn brings. Any 8 or 9 really scares me and I likely go into check/call/fold mode. It takes a pretty good read though to think your hand isn't good in this situation. I would never think that I am not good on that flop, only thing I worry about is being outdrawn.

stp

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ScoobyD

If this was some flat payout satellite where the top 3 make it...maybe. As a standard SNG, it's a ridiculous fold. I'm quite happy to stack someone here with JT (if you lose to a 4 outer, that's poker).

SuperBad

Well, the result is that I did shove.

UTG called, as did SB.

Both players calling didn't feel so great. UTG had KK (that's according to his chat text, he mucked the hand), SB showed QQ. The turn and river were blanks and I won the hand and cruised to the win. The SB was eliminated out of the money, and the player sitting out won 3rd...

SuperBad

Thanks for the advice?

g2

Congrats on winning your $1 SNG

/g2

SuperBad

Why the sarcasm? I post a hand looking for advice. You reply with sarcasm and condescension.

It was a huge $5 sng....sorry that it bothers you to see posts from such miniscule stakes.

Yes, I am a newbie/beginner. I thought that posting hand histories was encouraged by all members, regardless of their poker knowledge. I am here to learn. If you feel that this post is beneath you, just move along. I dont understand why you would need to stroke your own ego by ridiculing others about their stakes/knowledge.

pkrfce9

guys would limp with KK and QQ? that is insane!

i would not have pushed but raised to maybe 1100 or so. sounds like they would have pushed behind you but i don't know how i'd have layed this down...

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g2

The stakes don't bother me. I just don't understand what advice you are seeking.

You flopped a set, you got all your money in ahead, your hand held up. Why would the thought even cross your mind that you should have folded? Folding, just to probably make the money in a SNG is the weakest play EVER.

Both players called with hands much worse than yours. That should feel great, shouldn't it?

Who cares if they berated you for letting the player sitting out make the money. You won... that should be your only goal in a SNG.

Posting hand histories is encouraged. As long as they aren't bad beats or ones with obvious answers like this one. Please continue to post HHs in the future. A hint to avoiding HHs with obvious answers... if you did the opposite of what you're asking is the right move (fold a set?)... and it worked out OK (you won!)... maybe don't post it.

And I wasn't insulting your stakes. I was insulting the players limping QQ and KK. They are donks AND You beat them. => You are better than donks. So really I was complimenting you. Have a nice day.

/g2

STR82ACE

By all means, post your hand histories. In doing so, though, you are going to have to accept the advise being offered. Some of it will be harsh, some of it won't be, but it's all good advise regardless.

As far as your hand history goes, when you flop a set, even a low one, it's a powerful hand. If you lose to it on an uncoordinated board by an over set or a suckout, you're going to lose alot of money. But don't be afraid of betting and raising the pot with it no matter how small.

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JohnnieH

That's just scared poker. And it's wrong.

Yes, you COULDget outdraw(possible) or MAYBE run into an over-set (unlikely), but thats poker.

Don't be timid and play for 3rd. POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!

Johnnie.

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SuperBad

Sorry g2, I must have completely misunderstood what you were trying to convey via your:

Of course, this must have been a compliment. I now feel foolish for having assumed it was actually a backhanded way to ridicule/self-aggrandize. I look forward to requesting further advice from stakes as possibly as high as $10 sng's(why not aim for the clouds right?).

Prior to posting requests though, maybe I should find a way to filter it so that it isn't so "dumb". Maybe I can request advice from another forum, say 2+2, and see if they seem to ridicule. Perhaps then I can come back here and see if it meets your specifications for ridicule vs. genuine advice.

Thanks too for asking me to have a nice day, you too!

Sincerely,
A newbie who has been evaluated by /g2 as being better than $1 donks. Yay me!