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Aug 28,2007, 08:20 AM
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#1 | | It's phonetic! | Hand discussion - OOP suited connectors (In Parts)
Okay... no real reads on a table outside of WCG|Rider being a fairly decent player just not creative.
Your image is a tight aggressive player, who has been betting with great hands (top set, top two pair, made straight) when you had to show. Aggressive, but not overly loose (VP$IP : 22.86%, PF Raise 11%, Went to SD: 32%, W$@SD: 77%)
POKERSTARS GAME #11729354430: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/08/27 - 21:19:06 (ET)
Table 'Dziban IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Virus3232 ($70.65 in chips)
Seat 2: dakota9ball ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 4: DrTyore ($34.70 in chips)
Seat 5: WCG|Rider ($42.50 in chips)
Seat 7: DaddyBlades ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: Yojimbo50 ($13.25 in chips)
Seat 9: toti19 ($10.05 in chips)
derrickzilla: is sitting out
DrTyore: posts small blind $0.10
WCG|Rider: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrTyore [5d 4d]
DaddyBlades: folds
Yojimbo50: raises $0.25 to $0.50
toti19: calls $0.50
Virus3232: folds
dakota9ball: folds
DrTyore: calls $0.40
WCG|Rider: raises $1.50 to $2
Yojimbo50: calls $1.50
toti19: folds
DrTyore:  ?
A loose-ish call from OOP already, but I figured that it's a hand that I can get away from without at least two pair, and the EP min-raise deserves to be punished (i.e. he may have a big hand and NO idea how to play it).
The re-raise however.... thoughts?
(More to come soon)
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Aug 28,2007, 10:19 AM
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#2 | | PFC Asshole and Commander
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You said the WCG was good but not creative, so his reraise would concern me.
Then you have the min-raiser cold calling, since he didn't come over the top I would not be to concerned about him. He probably pop it if he had a big pair.
My thinking is Big Ace (or better) from WCG vs med pair from the minraiser.
If I'm in a gambling mood I call since I close the action. Can you get away from 2pr if there is a 7 8 or 9 on the board and the minraiser fires a good size bet?
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Aug 28,2007, 10:28 AM
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I can fairly easily drop 2 pair IMO...
I know this one of those "let's gambool" hands, and that generally puts me in a mindset of being VERY cautious when I hit something like two pair (it'll be VERY vulnerable obviously). So, should it come down something like 4-5-9 and I get re-popped all in, I can probably let it go.
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Aug 28,2007, 11:03 AM
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#4 | | PFC Asshole and Commander
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OK call it is then and it's time to gambool
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Aug 28,2007, 12:05 PM
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Okay.... i like that we're feeling frisky!  Here comes PART II
(In white to not skew any latecomers to the discussion) DrTyore: calls $1.50 *** FLOP *** [6h 8d Td] DrTyore: checks WCG|Rider: bets $3.75 Yojimbo50: calls $3.75 DrTyore: So, with the pot at $6, the re-raiser bets 3.75 which is called by the original raiser. I didn't hit a miracle flop, but I do have a flush draw and a gutshot straight draw (though it's dirty end for a 4 card higher straight). The pot is now 13.50 and it costs me 3.75 to call - a bit better than 3.5:1 odds....
Thoughts?
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Aug 28,2007, 12:27 PM
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Based on WCG's bet of just over 1/2 the pot, probably hit his T for TPTK (figured him for a big ace so it may be overcards). He doesnt want to give odds for the flush draw.
Yojim probably hit that for a set (base on my read of med pair for him). Is he capable of slowplaying a set with 2 flush cards on the board?
Not quite the odds for the flush, put close enough for me.
Do you think either of these guys will pay off your flush?
A call is ok.
I don't want to see a 9 (or really even a 7) on the turn unless it completes my flush.
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Aug 28,2007, 01:11 PM
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Yojimbo struck me as a pretty weak player overall.... I mean, come on, min raising? Boo! 
I think had he hit the set, and just called with it, he'd be doing so out of fear rather than sneakiness. Do you like my first action? Or would you have done differently?
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Aug 28,2007, 01:21 PM
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I like your first action, cause odd are one of them may have something and all you have is suited connectors.
The gambool is good
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Aug 28,2007, 01:30 PM
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Okay, part III.... again in white... this is the last section, I'm not going to give results, but am curious as to whether you like my action(s) / what you think they have given the further information...
DrTyore: calls $3.75
*** TURN *** [6h 8d Td] [3s]
DrTyore: checks
WCG|Rider: checks
Yojimbo50: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 8d Td 3s] [6d]
DrTyore: checks
WCG|Rider: checks
Yojimbo50: checks
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Aug 28,2007, 01:48 PM
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#10 | | PFC Asshole and Commander
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based on my reads, I would have done the same.
I assume the check on the turn would be followed by a call for a small bet (odds).
The river I no like, complete my flush by pairs the board. No if I was correct YoJim just filled up.
Given the check down I'd say one paired his ten and the other had the Ad for the busted flush draw.
PM me the result if you don't want to post yet.
I am curious.
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Aug 28,2007, 02:16 PM
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Well
The results were immaterial overall, but here they are in white... I was more curious as to whether this is the kinda gambool you other degenerates do on occasion...
*** RIVER *** [6h 8d Td 3s] [6d]
DrTyore: checks
WCG|Rider: checks
Yojimbo50: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DrTyore: shows [5d 4d] (a flush, Ten high)
WCG|Rider: mucks hand
Yojimbo50: mucks hand
DrTyore collected $16.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.75 | Rake $0.85
Board [6h 8d Td 3s 6d]
Seat 1: Virus3232 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dakota9ball (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DrTyore (small blind) showed [5d 4d] and won ($16.90) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 5: WCG|Rider (big blind) mucked [Qh Kc]
Seat 7: DaddyBlades folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Yojimbo50 mucked [7d 7c]
Seat 9: toti19 folded before Flop
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Aug 28,2007, 02:32 PM
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#12 | | PFC Asshole and Commander
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NH sir.
Overall well played in my donkish opinion.
Just wanted the results to see how close I was on my read.
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Aug 28,2007, 02:35 PM
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Fairly close on the middle-pair read obviously... and I figured the re-raiser should have had at LEAST Ak / AQ when he bet again on that flop and checked it down...
Overall though, I think from an odds POV, I had to call once I was in the hand.... poor odds pre-flop obviously, and would like to justify "implied odds" but I obviously didn't exploit those either.
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Aug 28,2007, 03:17 PM
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You had a gunshot straght flush draw. Why would you even think of folding?
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Aug 28,2007, 03:29 PM
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Well...
My main concerns are three fold:
A: The gutshot straight draw is for the idiot end, giving higher straights out there
B: The flush isn't exactly a powerful one, and it is possible that someone has a bigger one
C: It's me... DrTyore and "Catching outs" aren't exactly common
I kid I kid..
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