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Originally Posted by SupaMuncher I wouldn't be absolutely sure he had you beat pre-river. 3-handed, I could see how he could play a hand like KT that strongly, even in the face of a raise. I have no context for this player, though, so if (s)he was a solid player, then they probably did have you beat. The only holdings holdings that could have had you beat pre-river and still lose when the ace hits...87, K8 or K7.
On a side note...a rake of 50 cents in a 150+ pot?!? That's cool 8) |
You know, I just woke up, and was lying in bed when I realized that I wasn't drawing all THAT slim. An 8, A, or J on the river is good. A 9-outer certainly justifies the turn call. If I put him on 2 pair I have 8 or 9 outs, but I don't know what they are. I have to feel good about an A or J, and less good about a K, 7, or 8. I am stil not liking the way that I played the hand though, although I'm not sure what I could have done. I hate going into that defensive "check and call" mode. Also, if I don't improve on the river, do I check-and-fold? I'll be getting 9-1 at that point.
As for a hand like KT, KJ, or KQ... I think that all these should be raised from the button 3-handed pre-flop. Then again I also raise K7 from the button. I think the whole time we were playing 3- and 4-handed I only open-limped once. There is too good of a chance of stealing the blinds NOT to raise these hands (I doubt if even a hand as good as KQ is worth more than the blinds). Also I think that the $20-shot is REALLY overplaying the hand with anything worse than KQ, and certainly with worse than KJ. I raised from the BB and then come out firing like that... AK or KQ are cerftainly good possibilities. How can he think that KT is good?
Another hand that I could be beating on the flop is 9T. Open ended straight draw... his $10 is a semi-bluff and his $20 is an attempt to slow me down on the turn. Then when it gets there on the turn he bets out. This was actually in the back of my mind when I was going $40 on the river but I figured that (a) I couldn't be re-raised (online heads up rule... they still have a 4 bet cap) and (b) I was probably winning (more than 50% of the time) so the $40-shot was good. Plus when I saw that ace, I was looking for a shovel to get my chips into the pot as fast as possible ;-)
I could also be losing to a set, but unlikely. 77 or 88 are probably raised pre-flop and also it sort of seems like a strange way to play it post-flop when you have position. Just calling the $15 on the flop and then raising the turn makes more money. Actually that's probably how I play the 2-pair as well, especially if I put the guy on a big king.
As for the rake... on UB, the rake is 50c max on any table while playing 2- or 3-handed. 4- and 5- handed they were taking up to $2 a pot, and up to $3 a pot with 6. They rake in $1 increments ($1 for each $20 in the pot up to the cap) except for the 2-or 3- handed deal, when they take 50c out once the pot reaches $20. It is a pretty good deal I guess... although at the rate we were going through hands, they make their money. Even the 50c per pot deal probably manages to take $50 per hour off the table, which is a significant amount 3-handed. (I am guesing 120-130 hands per hour, with maybe 100 of them raked... no flop = no drop, and sometimes an unraised pot will be won with a single post-flop bet, which means that the pot doesn't get up to $20). But that is how UB does things.. even if you play $200/$400 heads up or 3-handed, it's a 50c rake per pot. Nothing like the message "so-and-so wins $2999.50 with one pair, aces". At THOSE limits, its a good deal. At $5/$10, it's still a pretty significant rake. Might still be one of the better deals in online poker though.
Keith
