how strong is A5o? apparently very.....

Pigga · Sep 28,2004, 05:52 AM

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cant beleive this..... ill post his comments after the hand history
the raise preflop? what the hell......UTG A5o raises? blinds are only 15/30.....he has plently of time to double up and such....

PokerStars Game #726833409: Tournament #2827338, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2004/09/28 - 06:28:18 (ET)
Table '2827338 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: NatronDig It (950 in chips)
Seat 2: SimonTheQuak (1995 in chips)
Seat 3: PattiRoo (1285 in chips)
Seat 4: duvet (2320 in chips)
Seat 5: tra1969 (2690 in chips)
Seat 6: Ace Fire (1705 in chips)
Seat 8: Beanzilla (1035 in chips)
Seat 9: Pigga (1520 in chips)
Beanzilla: posts small blind 15
Pigga: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pigga [As Ah]
NatronDig It: raises 120 to 150
SimonTheQuak: folds
PattiRoo: folds
duvet: folds
tra1969: folds
Ace Fire: folds
Beanzilla: folds
Pigga: raises 120 to 270
NatronDig It: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [7s 5c Tc]
Pigga: bets 150
NatronDig It: raises 150 to 300
Pigga: raises 360 to 660
NatronDig It: raises 20 to 680 and is all-in
Pigga: calls 20
*** TURN *** [7s 5c Tc] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [7s 5c Tc 4s] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pigga: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
NatronDig It: shows [5h Ac] (three of a kind, Fives)
Pigga said, "ouch"
NatronDig It collected 1915 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1915 | Rake 0
Board [7s 5c Tc 4s 5d]
Seat 1: NatronDig It showed [5h Ac] and won (1915) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: SimonTheQuak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PattiRoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: duvet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tra1969 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ace Fire (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Beanzilla (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Pigga (big blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives

Comments after the hand:

Pigga said, "cant believe u didnt know u were beat with that re-raise preflop and on the flop"

duvet said, "worst beat ive seen......"

NatronDig It said, "I knew I was beat... threw up a prayer"

duvet said, "that might be the luckiest call ever"

Pigga said, "very lucky"

NatronDig It said, "had to try something"

duvet said, "thatv was amazing"

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this one baffles me, "NatronDig It said, "I knew I was beat... threw up a prayer"" so he trys to bluff-call me? generally, inpoker, if i know im beat, i'd fold and save Tchips/cash but hey, thats just me and i know how much A5o now dominates AA....ill just fold them from now on

I proceeded to go out 2 hands later hoping to double up w/ AQo vs JJ, but to no avail

Pigga · Sep 28,2004, 06:36 AM

i thought that was bad........playing in the 60fpp satellite for fun and i see this hand , yes AA gets cracked, by what? read on...

PokerStars Game #726865777: Tournament #2775123, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2004/09/28 - 07:31:43 (ET)
Table '2775123 7' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: watash20 (1280 in chips)
Seat 2: foosuer (1920 in chips)
Seat 3: kristiank (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: 100cherries (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Malala (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: Stone_Eyes (1380 in chips)
Seat 7: timber332 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Pigga (1440 in chips)
Seat 9: swedenyes (3090 in chips)
kristiank: posts small blind 10
100cherries: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pigga [5s 4s]
Malala: raises 420 to 440
Stone_Eyes: folds
timber332: folds
Pigga: folds
swedenyes: folds
swedenyes is sitting out
watash20: calls 440
foosuer: raises 1480 to 1920 and is all-in
kristiank: folds
100cherries: folds
Malala: calls 1060 and is all-in
watash20: calls 840 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [5h 8d 7s]
Pigga said, "2tclubs?"
*** TURN *** [5h 8d 7s] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [5h 8d 7s 9h] [Js]
foosuer said, "yup"
Pigga said, "lmao"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Malala: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)
foosuer: shows [2c Tc] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
foosuer collected 440 from side pot
watash20: shows [8h Ah] (a pair of Eights)
foosuer collected 3870 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4310 Main pot 3870. Side pot 440. | Rake 0
Board [5h 8d 7s 9h Js]
Seat 1: watash20 showed [8h Ah] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: foosuer (button) showed [2c Tc] and won (4310) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 3: kristiank (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: 100cherries (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Malala showed [Ad Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Stone_Eyes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: timber332 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Pigga folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: swedenyes folded before Flop (didn't bet)

the suited brunson for runner runner str8

his comment after the hand

Pigga: nh
foosuer: i play loose
Pigga: i see that

2 hands later i get KK in SB, some one raised minimum, 7 limpers, i raised 80 more (too small i know)

flop brought an ace......- i bet 200 and the "foosuer" pushed all in for 4700 (from his runner runner) and i folded cant call w/ the ace.....
said he had 36o

BBC Z · Sep 28,2004, 10:00 AM

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Pigga said, "cant believe u didnt know u were beat with that re-raise preflop and on the flop"

Please don't educate the fish.. If you feel the need to belittle the guy, just yell at your screen or something.. don't give him some free lessons in poker..

Big J · Sep 29,2004, 06:30 AM

For the record, I always give free lessons...I'd rather outplay (or be outplayed by) a decent player than get drawn out on by some moron who shouldn't even be in the pot.

vinsanity · Sep 29,2004, 08:24 AM

But don't you like winning money from people who shouldn't be in the pot?

BBC Z · Sep 29,2004, 10:10 AM

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For the record, I always give free lessons...I'd rather outplay (or be outplayed by) a decent player than get drawn out on by some moron who shouldn't even be in the pot.

Don't let the fact that you don't like money interfere with the fact that I do. I bet yer one of those guys that can't beat the .25/.50 games and figures they should move up to 10/20 where 'real poker is played'.

There are plenty of resources on the internet where someone can learn to improve their game. The table isn't one of them.

MrBluffsAlot · Sep 29,2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

Please don't educate the fish.. If you feel the need to belittle the guy, just yell at your screen or something.. don't give him some free lessons in poker..

I couldn't agree more!!! Don't teach the fish how to swim! LET EM' SINK!

yubyub1978 · Sep 29,2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Big J

For the record, I always give free lessons...I'd rather outplay (or be outplayed by) a decent player than get drawn out on by some moron who shouldn't even be in the pot.

do you gain anything by giving free lessons? do they actually learn? or do you just give away the exact way you would play the hand. Smarten up these morons that "shouldn't even be in the pot" are your bread and butter,these guys are where the moneys at. Do they always draw out on you? Of course not if they did these guys would win the series every year.

I would give you a free lesson on how to play but i dont like the fish to play any better.

Stalder · Sep 29,2004, 11:25 PM

You want to make these guys your best friend not get mad at them . . Over time they will lose soooooooooooooooo much more than they win. And if they like you then you will get to receive lots of their money.

Lots of real loose players have tons of money to spend and just want to be entertained . . . I love the real loose players

Big J · Sep 30,2004, 02:21 AM

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Do they always draw out on you? Of course not if they did these guys would win the series every year.

Have you seen the Series the last 3 years? It's becoming a joke...the best player in the field is never going to win that event again, it's nothing but a $10K lotto event now...plunk down your money and keep going all in, make your hand 20 times and you are probabbly at the final table. Raymer wasn't nearly as bad as Varkonyi or Moneymaker, but just in the televised hands he made quite a few suck outs.

I didn't say I give people 4 hour lectures on game theory, I don't go over to their house and help them with their math skills, I said I give out some tips, I do the same thing if I am sitting at the Black Jack table (and don't tell me that is different if you don't understand how other peoples bad plays in 21 can cost you money)

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I bet yer one of those guys that can't beat the .25/.50 games and figures they should move up to 10/20 where 'real poker is played'.

Interesting....how much would you like to bet on that?

vinsanity · Sep 30,2004, 04:24 PM

Actually, UNLIKE POKER Other people's play in blackjack has no affect on your own outcome so educating them is a good thing as it helps them and doesn't hurt you.

You remember the times that he doesn't play optimal and takes the card you needed but what about the times when he doesn't play optimal and takes your bust card or when an optimal player takes the card you needed etc etc. ALL of that is irrelevant.

ScottyZ · Sep 30,2004, 04:54 PM

Meh.

I don't understand how other people's bad plays in 21 can cost me money. I really really like playing poker against bad players. I have no idea who the "best poker player in the world" is, and couldn't care less if that particular person (if such exists) wins next year's WSOP main event despite (or perhaps because of) the large number of entrants.

I'd expect "lessons" from someone who says something like this

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For the record, I always give free lessons...I'd rather outplay (or be outplayed by) a decent player than get drawn out on by some moron who shouldn't even be in the pot.

to be more like berating than a genuine attempt to educate.

And while this

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I bet yer one of those guys that can't beat the .25/.50 games and figures they should move up to 10/20 where 'real poker is played'.

is somewhat exaggerated, I'd speculate that the general idea is right on. I've seen so many players with similar attitudes wandering off hot-headed after getting destroyed by the low-limit grandmothers and college boys muttering phrases like "I'd rather outplay (or be outplayed by) a decent player than get drawn out on by some moron who shouldn't even be in the pot."

ScottyZ

BBC Z · Sep 30,2004, 04:55 PM

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and don't tell me that is different if you don't understand how other peoples bad plays in 21 can cost you money)

Oh my. It's not april 1st, is it?

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Interesting....how much would you like to bet on that?

Given the fact that you don't seem to understand where your profit comes from at a poker table, I believe you have troubles with the online game.

vinsanity · Sep 30,2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

Last edited by BBC Z : Today at 05:58 PM. Reason: ScottyZ replies while I was typing and said the same stuff

lol, when isn't Scotty replying.

Big J · Sep 30,2004, 08:19 PM

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Given the fact that you don't seem to understand where your profit comes from at a poker table, I believe you have troubles with the online game.

Ok, see this just pisses me off, you have no idea who I am or how I play...we've never played together (or even met) and we certainly don't play in the same card rooms and as far as I know we've never even exchanged viewpoints up until now. Yet for some reason you think I have no idea what I'm talking about...does it make you feel like a big man to fire insults at people on the internet? Well come on then pal, you were proposing a wager of some sort...let's hear your terms.