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Oct 14,2006, 03:32 AM
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[Oct 14 08:26:59] : Hand Start.
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : Seat 1 : mehud has $132
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : Seat 2 : specialKK has $174
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : Seat 3 : melly1234 has $135.20
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : Seat 4 : gelboy1 has $8
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : Seat 5 : GreenTea has $176.20
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : Seat 6 : willybetmore has $264.52
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : willybetmore is the dealer.
[Oct 14 08:26:59] : mehud posted small blind.
[Oct 14 08:27:00] : specialKK posted big blind.
[Oct 14 08:27:00] : Game [14553] started with 6 players.
[Oct 14 08:27:00] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Oct 14 08:27:00] : Seat 2 : specialKK has Qc Kh
[Oct 14 08:27:19] : melly1234 called $4 and raised $4
[Oct 14 08:27:21] : gelboy1 folded.
[Oct 14 08:27:21] : GreenTea folded.
[Oct 14 08:27:23] : willybetmore called $8
[Oct 14 08:27:28] : mehud called $6
[Oct 14 08:27:28] : specialKK called $4
[Oct 14 08:27:29] : Dealing flop.
[Oct 14 08:27:29] : Board cards [Ks 9h 2c]
[Oct 14 08:27:32] : mehud checked.
[Oct 14 08:27:33] : specialKK bet $4
[Oct 14 08:27:35] : melly1234 called $4
[Oct 14 08:27:37] : willybetmore called $4 and raised $4
[Oct 14 08:27:40] : mehud folded.
[Oct 14 08:27:41] : specialKK called $4 and raised $4
[Oct 14 08:27:43] : melly1234 folded.
[Oct 14 08:27:45] : willybetmore called $4 and raised $4
[Oct 14 08:27:46] : specialKK called $4
[Oct 14 08:27:46] : Dealing turn.
[Oct 14 08:27:46] : Board cards [Ks 9h 2c Qd]
[Oct 14 08:27:48] : specialKK checked.
[Oct 14 08:27:49] : willybetmore bet $8
[Oct 14 08:27:50] : specialKK called $8 and raised $8
[Oct 14 08:27:51] : willybetmore called $8
[Oct 14 08:27:52] : Dealing river.
[Oct 14 08:27:52] : Board cards [Ks 9h 2c Qd 8d]
[Oct 14 08:27:53] : specialKK bet $8
[Oct 14 08:27:55] : willybetmore called $8 and raised $8
[Oct 14 08:27:56] : specialKK ?? What to do here
As this hand plays out, on the flop i'm thinking if i three bet and he FC's i'm definately ahead, so i three bet, he caps now i'm thinking he has AK or set, turn comes and he FC's my check raise, telling me that he probably does have AK... what's your move on the river? Raise or FC? Just out of curiosity what do you guys think he had?
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Oct 14,2006, 08:17 AM
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I put him on Ak, but I'll pay to see his J-10.
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Oct 14,2006, 10:01 AM
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#3 | | It's phonetic! |
Personally, I may have folded this pre-flop... a raise from UTG, with two callers, screams to me you're dominated, and out of position.
Flop: Raise is fine, see where you're at, the re-raise scares me... he could have called with AK or any pocket pair to hit his set, when you re-raise and he caps? I think you're beat.
Turn: Nice card / dangerous card.. the ideal card for you to hang yourself
River: Inconsequential card... I think you're already beat..... I don't think he has the straight
So, this is either a "does anyone see xx hand coming"? Or a "wow, can you believe he played XX" like that?
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Oct 14,2006, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DrTyore  Personally, I may have folded this pre-flop... a raise from UTG, with two callers, screams to me you're dominated, and out of position. | I don't think i can fold KQ for 1 bet from the BB when the pot is giving me 7-1... there's no way i'm that dominated... only if i'm up against AA or KK am i not getting the correct odds, (and it's very close vs AA) i don't think i can put a guy raising UTG on one of those hands right away, and the other two definately not becuase who would cold call 2 wiht AA or KK...
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Oct 14,2006, 01:58 PM
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Seems close between a raise and a call depending if he sucks or not. You're probably seeing another KQ or a set here a lot if he's at all decent so just call would be my default, though I have no idea why he didn't 3-bet the turn.
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Personally, I may have folded this pre-flop... a raise from UTG, with two callers, screams to me you're dominated, and out of position.
| Nah, the hand's too good to dump in the BB. Quote: |
I put him on Ak, but I'll pay to see his J-10.
| JT? No way. Cold call two and cap nothing on the flop? Quote: |
River: Inconsequential card... I think you're already beat.
| Why does Villian call the turn if K is behind? Quote: |
and the other two definately not becuase who would cold call 2 wiht AA or KK..
| You don't play enough live poker or understand what makes passive players passive. I've sat beside enough players teling me what when I preflop 3-bet non-AA, I'm just throwing money away. Quote: |
[Oct 14 08:27:56] : specialKK ?? What to do here
| I dont think this is an honest question because theres no way you can fold here after pumping the pot for the last three streets. Considering the river card really didn't change anything, you should have known on the turn what your chances of winning are (or why else keep raising?).
Anyway, I think you got a little frisky on the flop but ot bailed out on the turn. A river 3-bet is out of the question.
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Thanks for the discussion guys, what really confused me was why the guy didn't three bet the turn if he had a set, because then i could have dumped my 2p there... because of all my confusion on the river i just called, i though three betting was a bad idea because it did really look like a set on the river, but i couldn't figure out why the guy wouldn't three bet the turn... either way the guy had a set of 2's.
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Oct 15,2006, 12:14 PM
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#8 | | It's phonetic! | Quote:
Originally Posted by specialK why the guy didn't three bet the turn if he had a set, because then i could have dumped my 2p there... | I think that question just answered itself... he thought he was good, and could get another bet out of you on the river.
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Oct 15,2006, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DrTyore I think that question just answered itself... he thought he was good, and could get another bet out of you on the river.
Mark | Ya but he still gets the same amount by 3 betting the turn and betting the river. Hero isn't folding top 2 there.
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Oct 16,2006, 08:48 AM
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#10 | | It's phonetic! | Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobyD Ya but he still gets the same amount by 3 betting the turn and betting the river. Hero isn't folding top 2 there. |
The hero just said he could have gotten away from 2 pair.
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Oct 16,2006, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DrTyore The hero just said he could have gotten away from 2 pair.
Mark | when i said 'there' it was kind of unclear, but i mean on the river i wouldn't have put in any bets... i'm calling the third bet on the turn, but if i don't fill up prolly check-folding the river, very very unhappily, but knowing i'm beat...
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Oct 16,2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DrTyore The hero just said he could have gotten away from 2 pair.
Mark | Saying he's getting away from top 2 and doing it are 2 different things.
Note: I'm only basing this that if hero is capping TPGK here on the flop into the pfr then he's probably incapable of releasing top 2 in a monstrous pot on the turn/river.
FWIW, I'm not folding this hand on the turn/river in a pot this big...but that's my 2 cents.
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