ivey, lindgren, benyamine, flack, greenstein owe millions to full tilt

trigs · Feb 03,2012, 03:03 PM

PokerNews Exclusive: Barry Greenstein -- I Want to Make it Clear I Owe This Money | PokerNews

man this bugs me. these guys allegedly owe millions but won't pay it back because (i'm paraphrasing) "the money won't necessarily go back to the US players".

no offense but who gives a shit? they don't owe the players, they owe full tilt. and BT group is buying full tilt. hence they owe BT now. keeping their mouths shut until now is quite suspect also. this is an issue because allegedly BT group can't move forward until they deal with these debts. maybe this is true, maybe it's not though. who knows?

even reading greenstein's comments pisses me off. he pretty much says that full tilt didn't ask him for the money so he just decided to never paid it back. then after black friday he admits that he wouldn't pay it back unless it goes to the US players.

hey barry, sorry to knock you off your high horse there, but that's not your decision to make. not to mention THERE ARE OTHER COUNTRIES AND PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE US WHO LOST MONEY! yes, i know that is a scary thought you arrogant fucking american.

(i apologize to all the nice, non-arrogant americans out there, but you should move to another country if you don't want to be lumped into the majority of egocentric idiots down there.)

/rant

masterplan · Feb 03,2012, 03:16 PM

I couldn't agree more. Debt is debt. Pay it.

djgolfcan · Feb 03,2012, 03:19 PM

PokerStars should drop Greenstein like a bad habit. I will be e-mailing pokerstars that if this is the type of person they endorse, then I will not be playing there any more.

I'll switch to playing live.

Richard~ · Feb 03,2012, 03:24 PM

they may owe full tilt money but full tilt owes us money. I'd recommend not paying full tilt anything unless we hear some news first

trigs · Feb 03,2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

they may owe full tilt money but full tilt owes us money. I'd recommend not paying full tilt anything unless we hear some news first

and by full tilt you mean BT group now. they won't pay them either.

i really hope you don't mean what you are outright stating (lol). so a debt shouldn't be payed if the guy you owe it to has a debt to someone else? how does that help the situation?

darbday · Feb 03,2012, 03:37 PM

Theres a funny thing about Phil Ivey and his money when it comes to poker players

Richard~ · Feb 03,2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by trigs

and by full tilt you mean BT group now. they won't pay them either.

i really hope you don't mean what you are outright stating (lol). so a debt shouldn't be payed if the guy you owe it to has a debt to someone else? how does that help the situation?

that's clearly not what I was outright stating, that's a generalization of what I was stating and it's silly that you'd bring that up. I understand where they're coming from, full tilt has basically stolen large sums of money from us players, there's no sense in throwing more money at them right now when their credability has dropped so low. Even if you refuse to pay back 40k, they have more than 40k equity they shouldn't have that they may never end up giving back, I doubt they'll suffer

Milo · Feb 03,2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

they may owe full tilt money but full tilt owes us money. I'd recommend not paying full tilt anything unless we hear some news first

Wrong on so many levels . . .

Barry owes Full Tilt $"X". Regardless of who will eventually own it (Tapie does not yet own any part of FTP, they have just made an offer), this debt is still owed. Whether he pays it to the DoJ, the Receiver, or puts in escrow until things are resolved, he does not haver any moral authority to withold payment.

That being said, Tapie Group can GTFO re: asking for the $$$.

Milo · Feb 03,2012, 04:01 PM

Another way of looking at it is this:

If I owe $$$ to Trigs, then I am supposed to pay Trigs what I owe, right?

If Trigs owes $$$ to Darb, then Trigs is supposed to pay Darb what he owes, right?

If Trigs does not pay the $$$ he owes to Darb, that does not give me the right to arbitrarily NOT pay Trigs.

Nor does it mean that Darb can come to me for the $$$ I owe to Trigs as a means of getting the $$$ Trigs owes Darb.

trigs · Feb 03,2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Milo

Another way of looking at it is this:

If I owe $$$ to Trigs, thern I am supposed to pay Trigs what I owe, right?

If Trigs owes $$$ to Darb, then Trigs is supposed to pay Darb what he owes, right?

If Trigs welshes on the $$$ he owes to Darb, that does not give me the right to arbitrarily NOT pay Trigs.

Nor does it mean that Darb can come to me for the $$$ I owe to Trigs as a means of getting the $$$ Trigs owes Darb.

exactly. sorry rich, but your point ain't makin' sense.

Richard~ · Feb 03,2012, 04:13 PM

if welshes means refuse to pay this is absolutely where I would not pay trigs. Take both me and trigs to court and see what happens imo

I wouldn't pay money back to a criminal

trigs · Feb 03,2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

if welshes means refuse to pay this is absolutely where I would not pay trigs. Take both me and trigs to court and see what happens imo

what? does that mean you think you'd win in court? i guess you don't understand how debt works then. my apologies for assuming you did.

Richard~ · Feb 03,2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by trigs

what? does that mean you think you'd win in court? i guess you don't understand how debt works then. my apologies for assuming you did.

I don't need to win, I need the threat of making us both lose

Edit: besides, greenstein didn't refuse to pay, he wants some insurance from full tilt that the money goes to the players

trigs · Feb 03,2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

I don't need to win, I need the threat of making us both lose

Edit: besides, greenstein didn't refuse to pay, he wants some insurance from full tilt that the money goes to the players

come to think of it, i am pretty sure i saw that defense on judge judy once. didn't work out too well for the guy.

note to self: do not lend money to rich.

Richard~ · Feb 03,2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by trigs

come to think of it, i am pretty sure i saw that defense on judge judy once. didn't work out too well for the guy.

note to self: do not lend money to rich.

does that mean you're planning to screw someone over?