Messing with the Donald

all_aces · Feb 15,2007, 08:05 PM

I am not proud of this. I normally handle my beats very well, but man, so sick, oh my God, but still, I'm a sub-optimal human being for going off like this.

I actually just spent awhile thinking about not posting it. It makes me seem more angry than I actually was... after a minute or two I was smiling when I was typing that stuff, but oh well. It's just so viscerally visceral, I couldn't not post it. It's like atonement or something.

In any event, now that so much time has passed (10 minutes or so), it's actually funny to me a bit. There is no need to tell me that I shouldn't be going off on people like this. I am aware of that fact. This is for your entertainment, from my heart, to yours.

First, the hand (very first one I play at the table):

PokerStars Game #8459671577: Hold'em Limit ($50/$100) - 2007/02/15 - 20:02:32 (ET)
Table 'Russia' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: all aces ($2000 in chips)
Seat 4: cmoneynwp ($1120 in chips)
Seat 5: vovka19 ($1938 in chips)
Seat 7: Donald ($2569 in chips)
Seat 8: McSketch ($1792 in chips)
Seat 9: ebolivia ($2275 in chips)
Seat 10: ChipMovr ($2966 in chips)
ChipMovr: posts small blind $25
all aces: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to all aces [Ah As]
cmoneynwp: calls $50
vovka19: raises $50 to $100
ChipMovr said, "the game of my dreams"
Donald: calls $100
McSketch: folds
ebolivia: folds
ChipMovr: folds
all aces: raises $50 to $150
cmoneynwp: raises $50 to $200
Betting is capped
vovka19: calls $100
cmoneynwp said, "lets party"
Donald: calls $100
all aces: calls $50
*** FLOP *** [6c Ac Kd]
all aces: bets $50
cmoneynwp: calls $50
vovka19: calls $50
Donald: calls $50
*** TURN *** [6c Ac Kd] [9s]
all aces: bets $100
cmoneynwp: calls $100
vovka19: folds
Donald: calls $100
*** RIVER *** [6c Ac Kd 9s] [Tc]
all aces: bets $100
cmoneynwp: folds
Donald: raises $100 to $200
all aces: calls $100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Donald: shows [7d 8d] (a straight, Six to Ten)
all aces: shows [Ah As] (three of a kind, Aces)
Donald collected $1722 from pot
Donald said, "QUACK QUAKC QUAKC QUAKC QUAKC"
all aces said, "what"
cmoneynwp said, "lolol"
all aces said, "the ****"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1725 | Rake $3
Board [6c Ac Kd 9s Tc]
Seat 1: all aces (big blind) showed [Ah As] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: cmoneynwp folded on the River
Seat 5: vovka19 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Donald showed [7d 8d] and won ($1722) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 8: McSketch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ebolivia (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: ChipMovr (small blind) folded before Flop

all aces said, "you are a moron sir"
all aces said, "nice flop"
Donald said, "no"
Donald said, "I am Donald"
cmoneynwp said, "i am cmoney ownage coming"
all aces said, "****in fish"
Donald said, "i had you on aces"
all aces said, "what did you like about the flop"
all aces said, "****in fish donald"
Donald said, "2 backdoors"
Donald said, "10% chance of win"
Donald said, "almost"
all aces said, "you're so fishy and lucky its not funny"
all aces said, "and you try to justify"
Donald said, "hahaha"
ebolivia said, "who?"
cmoneynwp said, "now i am bored"
Donald said, "all aces is upset"
all aces said, "who do you think? fishcake"
Donald said, "you just mad cause you lost"
all aces said, "prob worst beat of my life actually on that flop"
(edit: it is nowhere near the worst beat of my life, but it's bad.)
ebolivia said, "me? donald? cmnwp or all of us"
all aces said, "top set against no pair no draw"
cmoneynwp said, "obv"
cmoneynwp said, "hurry up"
Donald said, "QUAKC QUACK"
all aces said, "donald you moron you were 7% to win that flop"
all aces said, "at least get it right"
ChipMovr said, "donald doesnt play odds, he plays the player"
all aces said, "brilliant"
Donald said, "aces.. you are pathetic"
Donald said, "you had a bad beat, and act like a child"

(edit: this is admittedly true)

all aces said, "YOU MISSED THE FLOP COMPLETELY"
Donald said, "yes, i played bad"
all aces said, "don't try and turn it around you fish"
Donald said, "you should be happy!!!!"
all aces said, "you even said you had me on aces"
Donald said, "LOL"
Donald said, "not all i say is meant seriously"
all aces said, "same can be said of your game"
Donald said, "game has served me pretty well over the years"
all aces said, "hey good for you"
all aces said, "from what i've seen youre a fish"
all aces said, "you didn't even RAISE"
all aces said, "that woulda been ok"
all aces said, "just call call call LOL"
all aces said, "maybe I'll hit that 7%"
all aces said, "the game has been good to me over the years..."

Donald then takes a bad beat from someone else calling him down with overs and hitting the river.

Donald said, "joke"
Donald said, "lol"
all aces said, "at least they were overcards"
Donald said, "i like to play undercards"
Donald said, "not many players specialice on that"

I then win a pot from him where I flop bottom pair and call him down and it's good.

Donald said, "nh"
all aces said, "ty"
all aces said, "see when you have a piece of the flop... a draw, a pair... it's ok to call"
all aces said, "stick with me, you'll go far"
Donald said, "did you read a book or something?"
ChipMovr said, "hes already gone very far tho"
all aces said, "i know that's why i was so surprised"
all aces said, "from someone else i don't say a word"
all aces said, "but this guy isn't that fishy"
all aces said, "or so i thought"

Hope you enjoyed that! BTW I final tabled another Stars MTT last night... details at my blog.

all_aces · Feb 15,2007, 08:32 PM

BTW my river bet was just donktacular, don't you think? Told you I'd post a hand I played bad someday.

SirWatts · Feb 15,2007, 08:57 PM

River bet is correct obviously. I seem to remember thinking Donald is actually a good player. I suck at limit holdem but getting 19:1 closing the action his flop call may even be correct. Oh and yeah stfu you cry baby

all_aces · Feb 15,2007, 09:08 PM

LOL tyty. I kind of figured that was what I'd get.

River bet isn't all that great against 2 opponents... that is pretty much the worst river card in the deck for my hand.

Donald is a winning player, that's why it was fun to berate him for playing so weak. Correct or not... weak!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

BBC Z · Feb 15,2007, 10:16 PM

Meh, I chew out the guys in my $3 SnG's.. Why not yell at a 50/100 player if you have the chance

all_aces · Feb 15,2007, 10:24 PM

Amen brother.

BTW nice to share a thread with you again!

moose · Feb 15,2007, 10:24 PM

Ok I wasn't going to post this but if you want to cry about it - then I am going to cry about it. Final table of another $1500 guaranteed on Tribeca, only top 9 out of 97 entries pay, so we are starting to get into good money...

Multi-Table Tournament
Table NameHand IDGameStakes
MTT Table 115549194-146Holdem No Limit2,000/4,000
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Hand Start.
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Seat 1 : cdn_moose has $34,510
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Seat 4 : dmaukedad has $18,055
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Seat 5 : 2livecrds has $24,395
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Seat 8 : wpbag has $80,950
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Seat 9 : FRSG has $30,090
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : dmaukedad is the dealer.
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : 2livecrds posted small blind.
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : wpbag posted big blind.
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Game [146] started with 5 players.
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Feb 14 12:20 am:55] : Seat 1 : cdn_moose has 7d Ah
[Feb 14 12:20 am:57] : FRSG folded.
[Feb 14 12:21 am:03] : Stakes: 2,000/4,000 Current level: 13 Level up in: 4 min. Break in: 10 min. Players : 5
[Feb 14 12:21 am:06] : cdn_moose called 4,000 and raised 6,000
[Feb 14 12:21 am:07] : dmaukedad folded.
[Feb 14 12:21 am:14] : 2livecrds called 8,000
[Feb 14 12:21 am:14] : wpbag folded.
[Feb 14 12:21 am:14] : Dealing flop.
[Feb 14 12:21 am:14] : Board cards [6h Qs As]
[Feb 14 12:21 am:18] : 2livecrds bet 14,395 and is All-in
[Feb 14 12:21 am:19] : cdn_moose called 14,395
[Feb 14 12:21 am:20] : Showdown!
[Feb 14 12:21 am:20] : Seat 1 : cdn_moose has 7d Ah
[Feb 14 12:21 am:21] : Seat 1 : cdn_moose has 7d Ah
[Feb 14 12:21 am:21] : Seat 5 : 2livecrds has Ks 9c
[Feb 14 12:21 am:22] : Stakes: 2,000/4,000 Current level: 13 Level up in: 4 min. Break in: 10 min. Players : 5
[Feb 14 12:21 am:27] : Board cards [6h Qs As Js Td]
[Feb 14 12:21 am:27] : Seat 5 : 2livecrds has Ks 9c
[Feb 14 12:21 am:27] : 2livecrds has Straight AKQJT
[Feb 14 12:21 am:27] : Seat 1 : cdn_moose has 7d Ah
[Feb 14 12:21 am:27] : cdn_moose has Pair: Aces
[Feb 14 12:21 am:27] : 2livecrds wins 52,790 with Straight AKQJT
[Feb 14 12:21 am:37] : Hand is over.

This crippled me obviously and I was out in 5th one hand later. I never type in the chat window out of frustration but I couldn't help it.

Me: You are a disgusting donk.
Disgusting Donk: no u r
Me: Brilliant comeback
Me: yplc

Once I pull out the yplc I just leave it at that. Somehow just makes me feel better.

ChrisWinsor · Feb 15,2007, 10:29 PM

Ya with the club on the river I don't get whyd you'd bet out...
All I can say about the guys play is just wow... He was fishing hard and got lucky... I guess you really can't escape such aweful play even when you move up to such high stakes. He seems like an odd person though... saying quack quack as soon as he shows them... Ya he donald duck... Just a weird guy it seems, I'd guess you'd have to be though to call in hopes of a runner runner

Monteroy · Feb 15,2007, 11:15 PM

I have seen that river bet before, I have made that river bet before, the %*#^ you world bet that you sort of know will be raised and you are beat.

The scary thing here is based on pure math the guy did actually play the hand correctly by calling $50 into what will be a $1000 pot on the flop (and likely a $1500+ eventual pot).

It is safe to say that his hand likely does not share many runner runner outs with his opponents so his 7.3% base chance of beating you is probably a bit higher. Really his hand is so goofy there that it is hard for him to hit his runner runners and not win regardless of how many others are in the pot, and if he does hit it is likely he will win 2 bets on the river as well.

That being said I do think it is perfectly valid that you ripped into him after as well. It is sort of like a variation of an Omaha hand where both players will get it all in playing correctly even if they see the opponents hand. In this case his play technically was correct but so was the trash talk.

I have to admit the line I did like the most was

ChipMovr said, "donald doesnt play odds, he plays the player"

Limit poker can be evil at times.

SirWatts · Feb 15,2007, 11:16 PM

Yeah I guess the river bet is prboably bad. I'm poor at reading comprehension and thought you were heads up by the river. Did your fake tilt get you action at least? It was fake right?

all_aces · Feb 16,2007, 12:03 AM

[QUOTE=Monteroy;108630]
I have to admit the line I did like the most was

ChipMovr said, "donald doesnt play odds, he plays the player"
QUOTE]

I thought that was funny as well, since he wasn't really playing against me with any kind of a move, and of course since the player happened to be me, holding the immortal nuts preflop, on the flop, and on the turn haha...

Quote:

Yeah I guess the river bet is prboably bad. I'm poor at reading comprehension and thought you were heads up by the river. Did your fake tilt get you action at least? It was fake right?

It was fake, and it got me some action... almost back to even before the table unfortunately broke.

I am looking forward to playing against Donald again because he'll think I'm gunning for him, which is not something I do.

pkrfce9 · Feb 16,2007, 06:19 AM

hey devo, the mark of a good player is being able to fold AA...

limit is for scared fish anyway

ddmilcan · Feb 16,2007, 08:09 AM

Me: yplc

Moose? please explain, if obsene PM would be appreciated

Milton Slim

g2 · Feb 16,2007, 08:14 AM

You Play Like Crap

/g2

ddmilcan · Feb 16,2007, 09:53 AM

ty

Greg, wise in the way of the acronym

did you notice "ty"

who says an old dog can't learn new tricks!!!

Milton Slim