Tell when I should of folded in the first hand, then when in the next hand

folded · Jan 30,2006, 11:31 PM

PokerStars Game #3813580033: Tournament #18846328, Hold'em Limit - Level VI (200/400) - 2006/01/31 - 00:27:47 (ET)
Table '18846328 6' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Folded-AA (3735 in chips)
Seat 2: Mary Anne (4100 in chips)
Seat 3: iknowlarry (1290 in chips)
Seat 4: Skymutt2 (3115 in chips)
Seat 5: bsmiley67 (4990 in chips)
Seat 6: BSlick101 (4810 in chips)
Seat 7: NAILS123 (1710 in chips)
Seat 8: muffrat (2160 in chips)
Seat 9: critterman (2305 in chips)
BSlick101: posts small blind 100
NAILS123: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Folded-AA [Kc Ks]
muffrat: folds
critterman: folds
Folded-AA: raises 200 to 400
Mary Anne: raises 200 to 600
iknowlarry: folds
Skymutt2: folds
bsmiley67: folds
BSlick101: folds
NAILS123: folds
Folded-AA: raises 200 to 800
Betting is capped
Mary Anne: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [6s Ah 4h]
Folded-AA: bets 200
Mary Anne: raises 200 to 400
Folded-AA: calls 200
*** TURN *** [6s Ah 4h] [Ts]
Folded-AA: checks
Mary Anne: bets 400
Folded-AA: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [6s Ah 4h Ts] [Qd]
Folded-AA: checks
Mary Anne: bets 400
Folded-AA: calls 400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mary Anne: shows [Kh Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Folded-AA: mucks hand
Mary Anne collected 4300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4300 | Rake 0
Board [6s Ah 4h Ts Qd]
Seat 1: Folded-AA mucked [Kc Ks]
Seat 2: Mary Anne showed [Kh Ad] and won (4300) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: iknowlarry folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Skymutt2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bsmiley67 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BSlick101 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: NAILS123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: muffrat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: critterman folded before Flop (didn't bet)

THEN, I GO ON TILT KNOWING I SHOULD OF LET A GOOD HAND GO, TO THIS:

PokerStars Game #3813594579: Tournament #18846328, Hold'em Limit - Level VI (200/400) - 2006/01/31 - 00:29:09 (ET)
Table '18846328 6' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Folded-AA (1735 in chips)
Seat 2: Mary Anne (6000 in chips)
Seat 3: iknowlarry (1290 in chips)
Seat 4: Skymutt2 (3115 in chips)
Seat 5: bsmiley67 (4990 in chips)
Seat 6: BSlick101 (5010 in chips)
Seat 7: NAILS123 (1410 in chips)
Seat 8: muffrat (1860 in chips)
Seat 9: critterman (2805 in chips)
critterman: posts small blind 100
Folded-AA: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Folded-AA [Jc Jh]
Mary Anne: raises 200 to 400
iknowlarry: folds
Skymutt2: folds
bsmiley67: folds
BSlick101: folds
NAILS123: folds
muffrat: folds
critterman: folds
Folded-AA: raises 200 to 600
Mary Anne: raises 200 to 800
Betting is capped
Folded-AA: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [2s 9c 6d]
Folded-AA: bets 200
Mary Anne: raises 200 to 400
Folded-AA: raises 200 to 600
Mary Anne: raises 200 to 800
Betting is capped
Folded-AA: calls 200
*** TURN *** [2s 9c 6d] [2c]
Folded-AA: bets 135 and is all-in
Mary Anne: calls 135
*** RIVER *** [2s 9c 6d 2c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Folded-AA: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Mary Anne: shows [Qc Qd] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
Mary Anne collected 3570 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3570 | Rake 0
Board [2s 9c 6d 2c 6c]
Seat 1: Folded-AA (big blind) showed [Jc Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 2: Mary Anne showed [Qc Qd] and won (3570) with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 3: iknowlarry folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Skymutt2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bsmiley67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BSlick101 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NAILS123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: muffrat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: critterman (small blind) folded before Flop

westside8 · Jan 30,2006, 11:39 PM

I would've probably let go of the first hand after the flop reraise, or even if you call that, I would've let go of it on the turn.

As far as the second hand goes, I would've probably lost my money and my shirt with an overpair.

Dead Money · Jan 30,2006, 11:59 PM

with the overpair, I prob could not have gotten away. The A on the flop in the other hand, you have to let thatone go

Wolffhound · Jan 31,2006, 10:42 AM

Firing on the flop isn't bad in the first one, but, I would have folded to the re-raise.

Second one, I'd have lost it all.

Furfy · Jan 31,2006, 11:15 AM

Tough to release on both, just be glad on the second one that you were playing limit, at least you would have had a chance to stay alive if you had a bigger stack. Anyone goes broke there in NL.

SirWatts · Jan 31,2006, 12:50 PM

It depends on a read. A lot of the players in these low buy-in limit touyrneys aren't at all tricky (actually fairly passive) , so assuming that I think she has to have an ace in the first hand though I'd probably still call the flop just in case and give up on the turn. 2nd is tough because you have so few chips. I dont get away from it when I'm that short but again I think her cap preflop is huge strength and when you bet into her on the flop anyways and she raises you're probably dead, assuming she is straightfrward/predictable. If she's tricky then you're just gonna have to lose a lot of chips calling down. (I busted around 20th btw)

SOS · Jan 31,2006, 10:21 PM

The thing of it is that in Limit she can't take all your chips in the first hand, and in my opinion you have correct pot odds to call the turn bet.
Looking at it with the benefit of hindsight I think you could only have saved $400 here by not calling the river.

In the second hand, I would still get all my money in, but in a slightly different manner.
Her UTG raise indicates a good hand and with you being in the BB with JJ, there's no point raising preflop, you're already heads up.

On the flop bet out then 3 bet then call her cap, on the turn bet out and call her raise for your last 135

same result, different path

Ps...even if I still had the $400 saved from the first hand, I likely spend it all on the second hand