What is my next move?

moose · Jun 30,2007, 03:44 PM

Late in a tourney. 45 players to the money. Currently just over average stack. No read on the players left to act behind me, which are the ones I am worried about.

PokerStars Game #10699767393: Tournament #53512356, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/06/30 - 16:37:31 (ET)
Table '53512356 27' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: cdnmoose07 (13080 in chips)
Seat 2: bigshod (21410 in chips)
Seat 3: Brezi26 (36622 in chips)
Seat 4: brunton (13742 in chips)
Seat 5: Flatlus (17295 in chips)
Seat 6: paok1 (14932 in chips)
Seat 8: kimble83 (6625 in chips)
Seat 9: stilbury (3038 in chips)
cdnmoose07: posts the ante 50
bigshod: posts the ante 50
Brezi26: posts the ante 50
brunton: posts the ante 50
Flatlus: posts the ante 50
paok1: posts the ante 50
kimble83: posts the ante 50
stilbury: posts the ante 50
kimble83: posts small blind 300
stilbury: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cdnmoose07 [Ac Qc]
cdnmoose07: raises 1000 to 1600
bigshod: folds
Brezi26: folds
brunton: folds
Flatlus: calls 1600
paok1: calls 1600
kimble83: folds
stilbury: raises 1388 to 2988 and is all-in

Moose?

AcidJoe · Jun 30,2007, 03:55 PM

I call here. If I feel like gambling I push here, but I don't think that's the best move. Your OOP if I read it right and with 2 callers I think someone has a hand like 9 9 10 10 or JJ or maybe the pusher has grabbed that. I call and hope to check it down to get one more out of the way.

If the flop come 2 5 7 rainbow and you get action you know to get the hell out.

Monteroy · Jun 30,2007, 05:20 PM

I think I hate calling. Given the size of the small stacks raise I hate folding. Pretty sure I shove which screams huge hand and will likely make many pairs fold of the bigger stacks. Unless they are really slow playing QQ to AA you will be ok, they may even fold AK given they need to call a huge reraise to stay in.

If they fold and the small chipper has you dominated you are still in ok shape odds wise (except vs AA which oh well - if he has AA good chance noone else has a hand that will call you anyways for all your chips).

Not a super fun situation but I am having a really hard time thinking of a flop you are very happy with that gets action post flop if you call. If 3 rags flop (good chance given the call call all in reraise action preflop) then you are in a really frustrating spot.

Shove!

HP_John · Jun 30,2007, 08:01 PM

I don't like pushing because you're risking too much IMO. If 1 of them did slowplay a high PP then you're likely losing an extra 10 000 & eliminated (compared to calling).

I don't like folding because the reraise is too little, too much in there already.

Call, if someone did slowplay a high PP then they'll reraise, you fold & only lose an extra 1500 instead of 10 000 & elimination if you pushed. I like AcidJoe's logic.

Monteroy · Jun 30,2007, 10:30 PM

I tend to agree that there is a good chance one of the two callers has a mid pair type hand, one which you would love to see fold preflop, and one which may very well fold preflop if you shove. If however you call, a hand like 99 or 10 10 may opt to shove after you preflop and then what? Fold I guess?

The problem with calling is that you then hope noone else reraises after you, and if both do call you are now out of position with an all in and no sidepot with AQ hoping for a QQx or a flush on a flop (when you will likely get little post flop action), otherwise you are basically check folding.

I think calling here is basically giving up when you have the first opportunity to drive out hands by shoving and isolating the small chipper. If you are going to go with that approach then just fold to the all in as bad as that seems.

SirWatts · Jul 01,2007, 12:32 AM

I'd jam all day.

moose · Jul 01,2007, 12:47 AM

I'd ask Watts why but I think his answer would be word for word what Monteroy said. I'll post what I did tomorrow.

SirWatts · Jul 01,2007, 01:17 AM

Ya very unlikely that unknowns calling your raise have anything they can call a push with and you fold out lots of mid pairs and other hands you want out to isolate the shortstack.

actyper · Jul 02,2007, 10:49 AM

3200 in dead money is yummy when you push.

_obv_ · Jul 02,2007, 01:18 PM

shove... this drives out mid pairs and with all that dead money in the pot isolating the short stack is what you want.

calling here is really bad imo because then if someone behind has a hand like 99 or TT he can shove to isolate and you would be forced to fold

ChrisWinsor · Jul 02,2007, 02:31 PM

Push to isolate the all in player

moose · Jul 02,2007, 04:50 PM

cdnmoose07: calls 1388

Ok, as AcidJoe said, I called hoping it would go call call.

Flatlus: raises 14257 to 17245 and is all-in
paok1: calls 13282 and is all-in

Oops. No it didn't. Now what is my next move?

ConfusedONE · Jul 02,2007, 05:09 PM

I'm going to fold here

westside8 · Jul 02,2007, 06:21 PM

Pretty easy fold IMO

_obv_ · Jul 02,2007, 07:15 PM

insta fold