Ever dump to friends?

ScottyZ · Mar 11,2004, 10:30 AM

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Surprising how much my game changes when there is no money at stake at all.

Yeah, playing poker without money is like having sex without your *bleeeep*.

ScottyZ

Hork42 · Mar 11,2004, 10:33 AM

That's funny. You started by bringing in the garbage and ended up taking out the trash.

hrok.

I mean, hork.

esool · Mar 12,2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyZ

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I was actually surprised that he took my "reduced offer".

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Why on earth would you be surprised at him not turning down you giving him $250?

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He lost 3 hands at $50 a piece then he wanted to go double or nothing. I tell him that's not cool but....I win...(-$300now) Next game he says ok lets play for $200, so I beat him again..

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Here's where thinking ahead would have helped. If you knew at this point that if you win the $200 tournament you were going to give him back *$250*, why would you even play again? After this tournament, you are either going to be at +$100 if you lose, or +$250 if you win and give your opponent $250. That sucks considering you are +$300 without playing. Even if your strategy was instead to pay him back half of the winnings no matter what, you still can't play again because you are risking $200 to win only $100.

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so hopefully he learned his lesson.

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Here's where I think there is a flaw in you reasoning. If this opponent has leaned anything, it's that you are capabale of paying him back a good chunk of money after a significant win against him. He might be thinking that next time, he can also play for these kind of increasing large stakes. And if he suffers a large loss, he may try to look sad (or whatever) and try to get the same treatment from you. Possibly he'll even expect it. There is now the potential for a bizzare situation down the road if either you take a big loss and want him to pay *you* back half, or he takes a big loss and you *don't* give him half his money back.

Unless you have confronted him specifically about this issue other than what you've told us here, he has probably leaned the exact opposite of what you think he has learned.

I think you have actually already made the best point yourself:

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I myself would have paid the actual amount lost.

And this is precisely why you should have taken the full amount from your opponent.
ScottyZ

1) I believed him to come from the same school of thinking as I, always pay your gambling losses no matter to who, how much or why...
Having said that my $250 offer was sincere..

2) I feel that since he is the one down money I cannot walk away from a game if he wants to play. We had not set a time limit and it was still early, relatively speaking.
I did not decide about the "offer" until afterwards.

3) He has not got into a game of this nature with me since then, 3 months ago. Believe me this was a one time offer, if I find myself in this situation again with him(or anyone) I will try and teach him the same lesson a different way...By draining him completely! :twisted:
Now when we are playing our regular home tourney and we are heads up, I am sure this memory must come flooding back to him, he now feels I am the much better player heads up...Is that worth $250 over a lifetime?

I would never expect or accept to pay a lower amount than what I had lost.

Side note: We have been good friends for over 20 years.

ScottyZ · Mar 12,2004, 12:07 PM

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1) I believed him to come from the same school of thinking as I, always pay your gambling losses no matter to who, how much or why...
Having said that my $250 offer was sincere..

I guess you sort of got stuck with a misanticipation of his response. It is honourable of you to stick by your offer.

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2) I feel that since he is the one down money I cannot walk away from a game if he wants to play. We had not set a time limit and it was still early, relatively speaking.

Well, just because you win, this never obligates you to play again. (The concept of being able to leave when you're ahead is even more important at "non-friendly" games.) However, I'm normally willing to play if I think I have a reasonable chance of winning.

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3) He has not got into a game of this nature with me since then, 3 months ago. Believe me this was a one time offer, if I find myself in this situation again with him(or anyone) I will try and teach him the same lesson a different way...By draining him completely!

Actually, this might be a great idea. Play him for larger stakes next time.

Well, the important thing is you've gained some useful information. If you do make such an offer, he'll take it.

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Now when we are playing our regular home tourney and we are heads up, I am sure this memory must come flooding back to him, he now feels I am the much better player heads up...Is that worth $250 over a lifetime?

Well, that's certainly a consideration. If you do think this session will have some kind of psychological effect on your opponent that might play into your decision.

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Side note: We have been good friends for over 20 years.

I'm sure this was an important (or possibly the most inportant) factor in all of this. I certainly hope that your friendship doesn't suffer at all over this.

ScottyZ

micr0be · Mar 29,2004, 10:55 AM

When he said let's make it 150 i would have asked are you 100% comfortable with the prospect of owing me 300 bucks, it may happen so just consider it for a minute. ...and likewise at the 200 level. After that I would have no compunctions and if he felt sad or bitter then he needs to call the gambling addiction hotlines.