Question about upcoming Bristol Tournaments..

Zithal · Jan 18,2006, 09:51 AM

Basically, with the move to a freeze-out format, the existing "Waiting List" rules aren't valid.

Would you rather have the tournament hard-capped at 32, or allow people on the waiting list to come in as alternates as players bust out? Put your thoughts below..

moose · Jan 18,2006, 10:04 AM

Rob it is a ways for me to drive to get to these tourneys. I like the rebuy because I know I will have enough playing time to make the trip worthwhile. I don't see the difference between allowing a rebuy and permitting people on the wait list to come in as people bust out.

I bust out - "Rob please put me on the wait list so I can get back in"

If you are concerned about people on the wait list getting a chance to play I think putting them at the top of the list for the next tourney is more than fair.

DrTyore · Jan 18,2006, 10:08 AM

I think you're misunderstanding moose...

Everyone get's one shot at the coveted BSC title... however, if (haha, "If") the tournament fills, then people who were on the waiting list can buy-in when someone busts out, but you can't "re-enter" yourself.

My only suggestion would be to cap the point at which people can do this (as I"m sure you have thought about), so only for the first hour or x number of blind levels.

Mark

Zithal · Jan 18,2006, 10:12 AM

I've altered the wording of the poll to make it a little more clear.

moose · Jan 18,2006, 10:16 AM

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I don't see the difference between allowing a rebuy and permitting people on the wait list to come in as people bust out.

I bust out - "Rob please put me on the wait list so I can get back in"

No that is exactly my point. What is the difference between filling an empty seat with a rebuy vs filling it from the wait list?

DrTyore · Jan 18,2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by moose

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I don't see the difference between allowing a rebuy and permitting people on the wait list to come in as people bust out.

I bust out - "Rob please put me on the wait list so I can get back in"

No that is exactly my point.Â* What is the difference between filling an empty seat with a rebuy vs filling it from the wait list?

As we all know, Bristol streets are wildly popular in all of southern ontario. It's sick really.

Rob was trying to determine a way to A: Keep the buy-in low B: Keep everyone happy (and attendance up) and C: Ensure that as many people as possible get to play.

I think the no-rebuy, and allow waiting listers on will ensure all of these things. If you bust out, you bust out.. in fact, this was the original Bristol setup, and I think the rebuys were instituted after SOME people would bust out on the first hand on occasion (but still place 3rd in POY ranking dammit!) However, I like this setup Rob... go for it.

Mark

AcidJoe · Jan 18,2006, 10:27 AM

I personally like the present format. If I don't get in then I know I'm in for the next. My drive is approximately an hour and a half so I won't drive incase someone busts out so I can get in.

If there's no rebuys that's fine, but don't allow people on the waiting list to buy in after someone busts out.

Lamb_of_john · Jan 18,2006, 05:52 PM

Rob, i love the way you run your tournaments. You have more experience than anyone at doing it well......... with that said, i would have to say i am not fond of this new idea.

If you chose to turn bristol to a freeze-out format, than thats how it shoudl be, FROZEN! once the tournament starts, all the waiting list people shoudl have their names automatically put on the list for the following bristol.

I, as i'm sure many others are, am partial to the re-buys. It adds flexibility and a ton of fun to the night. it also makes the pot grow, which is a bonus of course.

these are just my ideas rob, and I will play and enjoy the hell out of it any way you go on this.

Johnny

Flint Bones · Jan 18,2006, 06:20 PM

My $.02 for what it is worth.

I like the freeze out format, however, bringing people in once someone has busted doesn't sit well with me. But I defer to your judgement, as you run these things.

I would like to add one suggestion. For those of us that don't access our e-mail on a regular basis during the day, the announcement timing sucks. Besides, isn't it against your employer's Policy to send e-mails to outside sources that are not business related? Also isn't it against their policy to access this website. I think I know someone in security there.....of course my word may not be good there anymore....carry on.

JohnnieH · Jan 18,2006, 06:40 PM

I agree with Johnny A. A Freeze out is just that. Keep the old rebuy formant and make it a TOTAL Freezeout. Once the cards are in the air, thats it. Sorry to sound harsh!!

As for the players who drive from a far distance, I say "yous takes your chances" There is still the odd "Casual Friday" and other cool tournaments to play in. Personally, I think it's a little silly to drive so far for a $10 Tournament, but whatever. JMHO.

JohnnieH

DrTyore · Jan 18,2006, 06:59 PM

I thinkn everyone is forgetting however...

This will likely lead to a 10-15 person backlog of players for each Bristol street... if everyone on the waiting list gets a spot on the next one, then there goes 1/2 the spots for the next, one, meaning more people on the waiting list.. meaning more delays etc... eventually you'll be booking Bristols months in advance (yes, I believe it is THAT popular).

I think by cycling people in, it's a bonus because

A: It's not that different from the current rebuy periods, which are running extremely successfully.

B: It alleviates some of the wait list, which history has shown is ever-present.

C: It gets more competition, and more money in the pot. I wonder what it is that everyone is worried about by allowing "late-entries"? It's the same players, they have a smaller chip stack relative to what you could have at this point, and everyone STILL gets only one shot.

My vote is to let people buy in after someone busts out. Otherwise, we have to buy an extension for Zithal's house and make room for at LEAST 6 tables.

Mark

Hork42 · Jan 18,2006, 07:11 PM

Check out ultimate bet if you want to see some "alternates" tournaments in action.

Works well, just make sure to limit it to the first few blinds levels.

King Mob · Jan 19,2006, 12:04 AM

I like a freeze-out format over a re-buy format. It gives everybody an even start and puts more weight on an all-in.
Â* Â*I do not like add-ons at all. Almost every player takes one and it maintains the status quo. Up the buy in if you want bigger prize pools.
Â* Â*Alternate/waiting lists were something I was unsure of in the past. Ultimate Bet started including them recently and I have to say I don't mind it. By limiting entry to the first few blind levels, when alternates do come in many players already in the game still have the same starting chips as the newcomers. The starting level of chips these alternates have are also now slightly below the average level possessed by other players.
Â* Â*At Bristol this will allow more players in the game, building the pot and preventing (as Mark warns) a build up of waiting list players carrying over to future games.I forsee waiting lists as big as the next game (I can't make this one but I might as well put myself on the list so I can get in next time).
Â* Â*The down side is an increase in playing time. A limited entry period (first break?) will keep this under control as it did with the re-buys.
Â* Â*So my vote was for the alternates system, but either freeze-out will suit me.
Â* Â*

stpboy · Jan 19,2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by King Mob

I like a freeze-out format over re-buy format. It gives everybody an even start and puts more weight on a all-in.
Â* Â*I do not like add-ons at all. Almost every player takes one and it maintains the status quo. Up the buy in if you want bigger prize pools.
Â* Â*Alternates was something I was unsure of in the past. Ultimate Bet started including them recently and I have to say I don't mind it. By limiting entry to the first few blind levels, when alternates do come in many players already in the game still have the same starting chips as the newcomers. The starting level of chips these alternates have are also now slightly below the average level possessed by other players.
Â* Â*At Bristol this will allow more players in the game, building the pot and preventing (as Mark warns) a build up of waiting list players carrying over to future games.I forsee waiting lists as big as the next game (I can't make this one but I might as well put myself on the list so I can get in next time).
Â* Â*The down side is an increase in playing time. A limited entry period (first break?) will keep this under control as it did with the re-buys.
Â* Â*So my vote was for the alternates system, but either freeze-out will suit me.
Â* Â*

Originally I had voted on "freezeout" but after reading Mark and Dave's comments I can be swayed the other way, no problem. I wouldn't want to only be able to play in every other Bristol due to the waiting lists being so long. I can't change my vote above though ....

stp

Zithal · Jan 19,2006, 12:58 AM

Tough choices, guys, and a lot to think about. Thanks for the comments, suggestions and thoughts.. it's tough to see everyone so evenly split! A few notes (gee... not that the next Bristol is coming up really soon or anything..)

The first one will definately be a freeze-out and to compensate, the buy-in will raise to $20 with more starting chips to begin with. Even though the poll is against me at the moment, here's why I'm leaning towards alternates...

Imagine if a tournament starts with 64 players. If your table losses one person, how long before that spot fills up anyway? Is playing with alternates similar to having extra virutal tables in the game?

The table that the alternate arrives at, now has more chips that the other table. While the effect is minor, we've seen in re-buys tournaments the advantage that a table get when it rebuys more than the others.

With most of the tournaments ending at the 1,500-3,000 or higher level, adding an extra player or two only really adds one or two more big blinds to the end of the game.

I would also definatey limit the number of blind levels that woud allow alternates, and I think not having a back-log of waiting list players would be good for everyone, cause it's going to suck if I have to sit out of my own tourney's to let the backlog in!!

I think throwing the occational re-buy tournament back in is a fun idea, as I'd like to see the POY points expand to be more than just one format. (ie. If we held a Pot Limit O8 tourney, I'd like to see that count in the standings.. hmmm... maybe I should start another poll to see what people think of that)