SnG - Card dead
So... I just got blinded off a 9 person turbo sng...
Now... I kinda HAD to go all-in at that point (I think...) and I'd like to know where I shoulda acted to *try* and make a stand or which hand I shoulda played since this isn't the first time it happens.... (it kinda happens all the time lol)
Alright...
First hand :
Qc5c (SB) - Someone raises 4bb everyone folds - I fold.
4s8d - bunch of limpers - Fold
Qs6h - some limpers - Fold
Kh2s - 4bb raise - Fold
8h7c - I think I shoulda at least limped on this in middle pos but ... - fold
7h9h - 3bb raise - fold
7d5d - 2 limpers - fold
Qh8d - 3bb raise - fold
Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he best 30 - fold)
3c4d (SB) - 3bb raise - fold
9sTd - 3bb raise - fold
5c3d - fold
4d2s - fold
Ts7h - fold
4sTh - fold
9h4s - fold
8hTs - fold
8s4d - fold
8hTs (BB) 3bb raise - fold
8s4d (SB) fold (it's a 50 call at this lvl)
TcJc 3bb raise - I Call flop T7A rainbow - Everyone checks turn 4 some guy bets 200 - I fold)
Qh6s - fold
Ks5c - fold
9c2d - fold
3s5c - fold
5d9d - fold
ThQc (BB) I die to KK
Now... I kinda HAD to go all-in at that point (I think...) and I'd like to know where I shoulda acted to *try* and make a stand or which hand I shoulda played since this isn't the first time it happens.... (it kinda happens all the time lol)
Alright...
First hand :
Qc5c (SB) - Someone raises 4bb everyone folds - I fold.
4s8d - bunch of limpers - Fold
Qs6h - some limpers - Fold
Kh2s - 4bb raise - Fold
8h7c - I think I shoulda at least limped on this in middle pos but ... - fold
7h9h - 3bb raise - fold
7d5d - 2 limpers - fold
Qh8d - 3bb raise - fold
Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he best 30 - fold)
3c4d (SB) - 3bb raise - fold
9sTd - 3bb raise - fold
5c3d - fold
4d2s - fold
Ts7h - fold
4sTh - fold
9h4s - fold
8hTs - fold
8s4d - fold
8hTs (BB) 3bb raise - fold
8s4d (SB) fold (it's a 50 call at this lvl)
TcJc 3bb raise - I Call flop T7A rainbow - Everyone checks turn 4 some guy bets 200 - I fold)
Qh6s - fold
Ks5c - fold
9c2d - fold
3s5c - fold
5d9d - fold
ThQc (BB) I die to KK
Comments
Did you consider taking one of your nothings hands up against a similar stack in the BB?
I don't see a lot here. 1 opportunity above to at least raise the limped blind. Sounds like there wasn't much raising going on. Bad cards obviously but you needed to try some steals in late position instead of blinding away. Tough cards InsaneGuy
Well I agree to a certain point... there's a raise preflop... are you going to call or even re-raise the raiser with 810o ?
I agree that at one point you have to play position but when I was the button/B-1 I got the worse card ...
4s8d
9sTd (ok not too bad but ... call a 3bb raise there?)
Jc10c (already a 3bb raise - call I hit my 10 but geez 2 callers in the hand and there's an ace on the flop do you risk it all there?)
A hand replayer?
There's alot of hand... do you have something that won't clog the site with a bunch of images and such ? Or just simple links ?
What the fuck? You hit a pair on the river and fold to a minbet? I would have called with just the ace high.
What the fuck! again? Everyone checked the flop... your 2nd pair is probably good.
If you play so tight you really have no business playing turbos.
/g2
I realised while re-looking at some hands that the raises were alot less than I thought... still.
Here are the same hands with the full history ! (I spammed that site! lol)
1 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
2 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
3 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
4 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
5 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
6 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
7 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
8 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
9 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
10 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
11 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
12 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
13 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
14 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
15 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
16 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
17 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
18 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
19 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
20 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
21 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
22 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
23 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
24 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
25 - Hand History Posting and Rakeback
darn... that took a while thank god I busted out lol
Well for all these reasons that I was making this post !
Usually in single table sng you only need a couple hands to make it to the final 3-4 and then it's a different ball game... I do have some trouble early game making those profitable calls ... I know the odds tell me to call but the guts tells me I'm beaten. or something like "there's no way you'll win with a pair of deuce".
Depending on the site, you could probably load the hands into SitNGo Wizard and it can help you identify where you should push.
the last hand is a very very standard fold preflop
i think every hand is a fold preflop with the exception of the A2 hand when you were in the BB where the SB limped... you should have raised that up preflop
You didnt blind down in this sng, you bled chips... you still had enough chips to wait for a hand or a spot to shove light
i found the problem...
How can you not bet here?
Not betting here is much worse than open pushing with 23o. unless you are trapping. Ok your trap worked ... push all in!
What are you waiting for?
let me clarify. OP stated that he blinded off during a turbo sng and then showed a HH to explain why. i merely pointed out that it was a turbo sng which i would label as the MAIN reason why someone would blind off in such a scenario (as opposed to pushing/getting lucky or pushing/losing).
i don't play turbos as i stated in a previous post - i'm not a gambler, i'm a poker player.
As a poker player aren't you trying to maximize the money you make? If you are a good sng player it makes little sense to play non turbos since you will make more $/hour playing the turbos.
turbos are definitely more profitable than non turbos you need to look at the big picture
i'm not looking merely for a 'chance' to win more money, i'm looking for (at least as close to as possible) a guarantee to win money. turbos are mostly push/fold necessarily-luck crapshoots (for arguments sake let's say at least 50% of the time).
is it true that i can win more money per hour (i.e. quicker) - yes i don't doubt or argue this point. is it true that i can lose a lot more money per hour because i'm extremely unlucky - yes obviously. therefore, i'll stick to the slow and steady/more guaranteed money imho.
The fact that you say turbos are mostly push/fold necessarily-luck crapshoots makes me think you just don't understand push/fold poker and probably play way too tight when the blinds are high and are an easy target for a player that knows what he is doing.
this is your opinion. many people play a hell of a lot of tables online and make a lot of money.
this is your opinion. many people play levels higher than their bankroll should allow and they make a lot of money
no one said you said so.
and this just makes no sense. i merely stated MY opinion that push/fold poker involves too much luck (i.e. gambling) for my personal taste. why does that suggest that i don't understand push/fold poker. the name itself suggests it's all or nothing/lucks included/poker. that is, one will often have to push with nothing just to stay afloat against the blinds. that to me is highly influenced by luck.
again, i am stating MY opinion on turbos. i would appreciate if you didn't tell me that i don't understand how to play (certain versions) of HE poker merely because i don't favor them (since according to your reasoning, i could easily state that i know more about turbos than you do and that is why you think they are profitable - however, i would not make such a statement as this).
(i apologize if the above was voiced in a derogatory way. i meant no disrespect.)
the people that play higher than their bankrolls allow don't make a lot of money... they go broke, unless they go on a heater then realize they are playing over their heads and then start playing within their bankroll/skill level
i'm suggesting you don't understand push/fold poker because if you did your opinion would be different because you would make more money playing turbos. there is nothing easier than being able to shove any 2 against someone that doesn't understand push/fold poker and will be folding pretty much anything... it is a pretty much risk free way of adding to your stack. I have helped some friends in low stakes turbo sngs and basically all they needed to do to be profitable was shove really wide ranges when the blinds were high... people just don't call as wide as they should be calling.
You are entitled to your opinion but my point is if you want to make more money you should probably be playing the turbo sngs
Also... with regards to this statement... "i would appreciate if you didn't tell me that i don't understand how to play (certain versions) of HE poker merely because i don't favor them" In my mind if you are playing poker to make money and you don't favor a certain type of poker it is for one of 2 reasons... either you don't understand how to play it or if you do understand how to play it you are more profitable elsewhere. Since turbos are more profitable the only reason for not playing them is because you don't understand how to play them
consider this the final comment i'm going to make here because i think this is pointless. my post was stating that i just voiced MY opinion vs. YOUR opinion (i.e. you're not wrong, it's just your opinion) and then you accused me of just being stupid pretty much (i.e. i don't understand push/fold poker).
your above comment explains it all. your opinion is just the fact of the matter apparently and my opinion is just wrong because it's not your opinion. if i've learned anything in my life, it's that there's no arguing with this logic.
congratulations. you win.
the major advantage ev you can have right now in sitngos is knowing how to play at HBL (high blind level) not outplaying at LBL (low blind level)
Most people know how to play when the blinds are low by many fewer people know how to play properly when the blinds are high. It really is a different game and not many people know how to play here. This is the level when blinds represent 8% - 15% of your stack and it is where you win sitngos.
Yes sometimes you get good cards and play them well early to the endgame, but you rarely get the opportunity to gain so much more win +equity then the HBL of sitngos.
As more people learn the later stage sitngo strategy then maybe it will make sit n goes not as profitable as they are now.
The fastest way to get to this major area of maximum +ev is by playing turbos.
the major advantage ev you can have right now in sitngos is knowing how to play at HBL (high blind level) not outplaying at LBL (low blind level)
Most people know how to play when the blinds are low by many fewer people know how to play properly when the blinds are high. It really is a different game and not many people know how to play here. This is the level when blinds represent 8% - 15% of your stack and it is where you win sitngos.
Yes sometimes you get good cards and play them well early to the endgame, but you rarely get the opportunity to gain so much more win +equity then the HBL of sitngos.
As more people learn the later stage sitngo strategy then maybe it will make sit n goes not as profitable as they are now.
The fastest way to get to this major area of maximum +ev is by playing turbos.
I've already read Harrington ... and the two plus two forum... what else do I need to do?
Yep.. I'm in the same situation as you...
Assuming this isn't sarcasm, (and I have no clue if it is or isn't) I've asked Graham to add a STT style forum for hand reviews and discussions of SnG play.
http://www.pokerforum.ca/f15/new-subforum-off-poker-strat-15502/
Show some support if you think it's worth having a separate area to discuss the STT gameplay mechanics.
Not this isn't sarcasm.
I suspect the answer lies in sngpt and icm