Live 1/2 interesting spot
Live 1/2
Villians are complete LAGtarded donks. I watched villian1 ship $175 with 44 pre flop.... And he cold called an all-in.....
villian 2 is same. Calls $25 preflop with Q5s. Puts in $120 by the river on a AAQT2 board.
So both villians limp, and have around $500 each by some miracle.
Button limps
BB (Me) = $450. See TcTh. Raise to $15
both villians call, BU folds
Pot = ~$55
FLOP
9c 6d 7s
Hero bets $35
Both villians insta-call
Pot = ~$160
TURN = Qs
Hero bets $65 ( I know now this is way too small, in the future I'll bet around $90)
Here I figure no one would float with Qx unless they have exactly Q8. I figure its generally a value bet.
V1 folds
V2 insta-calls
Pot = $290
RIVER = 6h
Hero checks
Villian bets $120
Hero ????
I figure I'm generally ahead here. I dont think limp-callers here are slow playing AA-JJ, especially lagtards. Either he has been slowplaying a set all this time, or he has a busted draw. However, would he bet that much if he did have a busted draw?
The hands im ahead of are things like 97, 98, 8J, 88, 87, 78, etc. I lose to 68, 56, 67, 69, 66, 77, 99, Q8, and i'll throw in JJ-AA for the heck of it. It's really hard for me to put him on 2 pair, as I doubt he would flat call the flop or turn with 2 people in the hand. I still put him on a draw, but it's tough. What do you think?
Villians are complete LAGtarded donks. I watched villian1 ship $175 with 44 pre flop.... And he cold called an all-in.....
villian 2 is same. Calls $25 preflop with Q5s. Puts in $120 by the river on a AAQT2 board.
So both villians limp, and have around $500 each by some miracle.
Button limps
BB (Me) = $450. See TcTh. Raise to $15
both villians call, BU folds
Pot = ~$55
FLOP
9c 6d 7s
Hero bets $35
Both villians insta-call
Pot = ~$160
TURN = Qs
Hero bets $65 ( I know now this is way too small, in the future I'll bet around $90)
Here I figure no one would float with Qx unless they have exactly Q8. I figure its generally a value bet.
V1 folds
V2 insta-calls
Pot = $290
RIVER = 6h
Hero checks
Villian bets $120
Hero ????
I figure I'm generally ahead here. I dont think limp-callers here are slow playing AA-JJ, especially lagtards. Either he has been slowplaying a set all this time, or he has a busted draw. However, would he bet that much if he did have a busted draw?
The hands im ahead of are things like 97, 98, 8J, 88, 87, 78, etc. I lose to 68, 56, 67, 69, 66, 77, 99, Q8, and i'll throw in JJ-AA for the heck of it. It's really hard for me to put him on 2 pair, as I doubt he would flat call the flop or turn with 2 people in the hand. I still put him on a draw, but it's tough. What do you think?
Comments
Your TT might be good here against 2 bad players, but stuff like AQ,QJ,KQ could show up here a lot with fish (floating with 2 paint cards on a dry low board is a pretty common practice for live fish in my experience).
The cards you're beating though show up more then you lose against one player, just don't know if I could make the call with one behind me. You are getting decent odds to call though, especially if you are confident v2 flats behind you. If he folds you have to win ~30% ? of the time for it to be profitable, and if he calls the $120 you have to win only 22% of the time..
I'm split on this and I think I'd have to be there to decide
What happened?
the real question in this hand is if your better off just value betting the river.
I was also wondering this. Is there any point to betting?
I generally think that weaker hands will fold while better hands will call/raise, which makes betting pointless.
I'm putting him on a draw. I've been repping an over pair the whole time. How often does he bluff the river here? It's an awfully big pot. Or how often will he think "OMFG HE CHECKED!!1! HE MUST ONLY HAVE AK!! 89o ALL INNNNNNN!" or something along those lines.
Also how often do I get a call from betting the river? pair of 9s may or may not call, as i have been repping. lower 2 pair may also call. But thats all the hands I really beat. I'm sure a Q would call as well and not raise.
a hand that beats me will raise, such as a 6, full house, or made straight. I really don't like to see a massive reraise on the river here. I'm not really sure whats the right play, but I figured a check was more prudent. Thoughts?
The Q changes nothing. Sure, either of the opponents COULD float with a Q, but they could also float with K4o, AJ, 33 etc. there as well. Given the action, The Q acts like a blank.
Also the board isn't dry at all. It's very wet, anyone with an 8 has a SD.
Very likely that at least one of these players has a pair+SD, and the other, well who knows. Either way, IF I was ahead on the flop, I'm generally ahead now unless they have exactly Q8, so I'm betting here.
The V1 folds and the V2 calls which gets us heads up, and pretty much where I want to stand coming into the river.
You hit an amazing flop. I would bet more, $50. Your opponents will probably peel this flop with a fairly wide range of hands. You are strong but vulnerable. The gutshot adds significantly to the potential of your hand, now you have a rare but strong draw as well. If your opponent holds an 8 they will overvalue their draw (they can't hit your two tens).
The turn doesn't bother me in the slightest. q8 got there or AQ but your opponents have very wide ranges and that is not really a very dangerous card. I would bet big again.
On the river, given how you played it, I would snap call unless I felt this player wouldn't try to bluff the river. The more aggro the player, if he is tilting or losing a lot, the more likely you should call. The more passive the more inclined you should be to fold. As a default you can call here but there are really no defaults in poker, just players you are playing against and your insights into their psychologies.