Live 1-2$ Interesting hand

1-2$ live cashgame at Montreal Casino.
I have about 350$ in front of me.

I'm UTG with Ac5c and I decide to limp.

UTG+1 makes it 13$ total,
Call, call, Sb calls, I call.

Flop: 4c-4d-2C
-fd + gutshot str flush

c-c to pre Raiser bets 20$, fold, call. Sb min-raises to 40$ (and he's a solid player, has about 350$ also). I tank for a good minute.......

What's the best play here ?

Comments

  • Problem with re-raising is you aren't going to get a player with a 4 to fold, so what do you do if you get re-re-raised? Also, chasing a flush on a paired board can be a disaster. I would call and hope the initial raiser just calls. Although you have a good draw, you could already be behind. If you hit your flush on the turn, you may get a player to chase their boat if you don't bet too much.

    Btw, I wouldn't put much value on hitting the straight flush.
  • ReeferCash wrote: »

    What's the best play here ?

    Congrats. You are oop chasing a flush draw on a paired board.

    Fold pre.
  • With No other info easy fold. You Also did not state effective stacks
  • Hobbes wrote: »
    Congrats. You are oop chasing a flush draw on a paired board.

    Fold pre.

    Nit
  • Classic "im going to min raise with a 4 because I don't know what you have and I don't want to scare you out of the pot"

    Fold :)
  • I suck, so I would call and see the turn hit my flush and get it all in against his deuce's full of 4's. You should fold!
  • Come on seriously, nobody is folding here. What are you scared of, quad fours, 42off?
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    Come on seriously, nobody is folding here. What are you scared of, quad fours, 42off?


    Then essentially you are stacking off. And for all you know the turn completes both hands and you are drawing dead.
  • Thanks guys. I folded.
    The PF raiser calls 20$, other guy called 20$.
    Turn Q of clubs.
    first to act bets about 110$, PF raiser folds, other guy calls.
    River: 3 of clubs !!
    all-in/call
    The flop min-raiser had 89 of clubs and other guy had J4... A check-min-raise agaist multiple players on the flop doesn'T really look like a FD
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    Come on seriously, nobody is folding here. What are you scared of, quad fours, 42off?

    It's really a player dependent spot but in a vacuum it's a fold
  • Then essentially you are stacking off. And for all you know the turn completes both hands and you are drawing dead.

    I likely call in this spot and see what the initial raiser does. If he just calls and I miss the turn, then I revaluate based on subsequent bets. If either of these guys had boats on the flop, would they want to chase you out of the hand?
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    I likely call in this spot and see what the initial raiser does. If he just calls and I miss the turn, then I revaluate based on subsequent bets. If either of these guys had boats on the flop, would they want to chase you out of the hand?


    So you discount the odds on the turn after you call a min raise flop bet and fold to the turn based on another bet?

    I think you can look deeper into this hand specifically and figure out how many 4X combos the villian would be playing and especially in a limped pot pre its hard to determine what card on the turn is going to help you.

    Bet size on turn is not as important as what hand range you give your opponent as in this case it is clear that villian has a 4 and we just need to figure out the other hole card.

    As an example I will assign 24,34,45,46,47,a4 as hand holdings to start.

    So with that in mind if I call a min raise on the flop and any other card comes on the turn other than those specific ranges I am most likely calling any bet if I believe villian doesn't not have a full house either flopped or made on the turn.

    He has already made a dumb min raise on the flop so most likely the bet sizing on the turn will be messed as well giving us 4,5,6-1 to make the call etc.

    Even worse is if villian pot bets the turn because for sure now you know he hasn't hit the turn and still has a naked 4 and with certain effective stacks and players it is worth it to call a pot bet on the turn knowing very well if you hit the river you are getting paid by most 4s because they can't fold. (Especially if they bet the turn)
  • I would raise to $139 and get it in if anyone wanted to gamble but this hand cannot be profitable UTG in a no limit game. You are going to be out of position and everyone is still to act. Couple this with the fact that large preflop raises are not uncommon in this game and you will frequently be throwing away two dollars or more by calling (two if you fold to the raise, more if you call it). This hand is best played in position in limped pots orhigh stack size to raise ratio. I would raise because there's over a hundred dollars I can win right now and I have good equity vs everything except a boat.
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